Capote or Infamous?


Those who've seen it, which honestly is the better movie? I'm still waiting for this to be released on vid on the 23rd but I saw Capote and absolutely loved it; I thought Hoffman was great in the role. However, just seeing the clips for Infamous; Toby's portrayal seems like it could get a lot more annoying a lot faster throughout the film. I thought Hoffman was completely sincere in the way he acted out Capote; I don't know, guess I'll just have to wait and see?

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I found Infamous to be the better movie. Capote is very depressing (at least to me) and very one dimensional with its subject matter, although to be fair, Capote is only about the writing of In Cold Blood. Infamous gives a more rounded view of Truman Capote, the writing of In Cold Blood, and his life in Manhattan. I also found Toby Jones' Truman much more believable and very much as I remembered the real life man from the 1960's and 1970's late night talk show visits.



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I liked "Capote" better.

I just watched "Infamous," and it was just a little too gay for my taste.

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For the definitive performance of Truman Capote (other than by himself), one must look neither to Hoffman's Capote nor Jones' Infamous, but to Robert Morse in the 1992 American Playhouse/TV production of Tru, the highly successful one-man, Tony-award-winning Broadway show.

For the best cinematization of the Clutter murders and murderers, one must look neither to Capote nor Infamous, but to Richard Brooks' 1967 film version of Capote's book "In Cold Blood" -- and absolutely not to the 1996 TV mini-series version.

Like many great stories and fascinating events and compelling personalities. there will probably be more retellings in the future. In some upcoming incarnation, perhaps Capote could be played by Macaulay Culkin or EVEN by Dakota Fanning. Who knows? The best Capote may still be as yet unrealized.

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Infamous.

I loved Capote when I saw it in the theater. At first, it seemed like Hoffman was in an SNL kit "doing" Capote, but as the film progressed, Hoffman's performance became far more intricate. The conclusion was absolutely gut-wrenching.

In infamous, however, Jones really communicates how, though short and squeaky voiced, Truman was able to engage others and help them see through such things, while at the same time revealing Truman's many flaws. The film as a whole is a much richer tapestry which allows the other cast members to shine as well (though not all of them did). The interview segments seemed a bit out of place, but they did add more depth to the audience's overall understanding of the subject matter, and ultimately did nothing to damage my opinion of the film.

Capote seemed to be all about Hoffman, and none of the other actors seemed to be allowed to challenge his character. It was taylor-made for an Oscar nom. I also agree that if Infamous were to have been released first, Hoffman would not have won. As for the film ion general, I've seen the dark lighting and delicate piano playing thing before. Nothing too inventive there.

Finally, someone upthread mentioned that Jones' performance was more "mimicry" and that Hoffman added more to it. I first heard the whole mimicry vs. acting argument from Josh Hartnett when Blackhawk Down was released, and I think that this concept is just typical, self-centered actor bullsh!t. Basically, what they're saying is that the true person they are playing doesn't serve them well enough, so they have to add to it or, in the case of Josh, completely go their own way with it. I think it's a bit disrespectful. There's no real penalty when you're playing a no-name soldier, but try going your own way with it when playing JFK or someone like that and see where it gets you.

Sorry, but that issue always triggers my rant mechanism. Both performances were fantastic, but I prefer Infamous as an overall film.

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Definitely Capote! There is something exploitative, cold and chilling in the way Capote comes across in Capote, which is a trait of most brilliant writers. It was very subtly conveyed, and Hoffman's was a great performance. Infamous is much more pleasing, easy, and sympathetic overall, with the unneccessary all-star cast - it was so distracting to see Gwyneth Paltrow, Isabella Rossellini, Seagourney Weaver, you remember them, but not the characters they played. That really makes Infamous suck. Capote was also much better in terms of cinematography - the cold, grey, desolation of an American small town really hits home.

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INFAMOUS was somehow, more light-hearted and funnier, although a little darker at some points.

But I still prefer CAPOTE, all the way. More introspective and direct-to-the-facts.

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Both films are great, but Capote is more one-dimensional; Infamous shows the lively, happy, funny side of Truman and his high-society life, as well as the dark side, and is honest about his flamboyantness, which was greatly toned down in Capote; it's also more direct about his gayness. Infamous takes you on an emotional trip, starting with Truman's cheery and fashionable New York life and ending with Truman as a broken man, where Capote is more one-note in tone.

I can remember as a kid seeing Truman Capote on TV and thinking, Jesus, what planet is this guy from? In this respect, I was a very disappointed by Hoffman's performance (and wardrobe), so obviously intended to make TC someone mainstream audiences could feel comfortable with; the real guy was just so much more over the top.

Capote is also totally built around Hoffman and one feels as if one is watching him act, whereas Toby Jones simply is Truman Capote; the way he stands, gestures, talks, he seems to unselfconsciously inhabit the character instead of screaming "Look at me, I'm acting."

Also, Capote focuses excessively on the conceit that Truman could somehow have waved a magic wand and gotten their sentences commuted; they were guilty and the whole state was out for their blood, so I didn't find that believable. It's like the filmakers were so in love with the cleverness and moral ambiguity of that idea that they didn't bother to think about its plausibility.

That said, it's kind of like the debate over The Illusionist vs. The Prestige. They're two different movies. I thought they were both excellent, but while I enjoyed Capote, I wasn't much moved by it; I was moved to tears by Infamous, and probably by the very things some other viewers may have said "didn't work" for them.

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bhgardner, you make a very good point with your point of view (pardon the redundance).

And I find you being honestly right on it. So is the case, that, for example, my mom is a little bigoted; she can't stand any gay-oriented issue; however, she saw that certain scene between Truman and Perry (you know which one) and didn't cringe out of it; instead, I could tell she was genuinely surprised and moved.

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Which is better? How about which was a masterpiece, and which was a huuuge disappointment? That would be CAPOTE for the former, and, unfortunately, INFAMOUS for the latter.


I don't understand people or reviewers asking which is better, or that it's close. It is not, by any means. CAPOTE was smart, beautifully photographed, beautifully written, and beautifully directed. Every single performance, from Hoffman to Keener to Cooper to Collins to the little girl who finds the murdered family, every one was good. CAPOTE was without question one of the 5 best films of the year 2005.

INFAMOUS, however, was nothing of the sort. The performances felt forced and very artificial. Don't believe the hype over Bullock and Craig being great, they are not. The writing was not very good either, nor the direction: the movie seems to have a hard time deciding whether or not it wants to be a comedy or a drama. There is something I prefered over INFAMOUS, which the way they shot the murders taking place. But so much of it was overdone and just plain pointless. Case and point, what the hell was the point of Gwyneth Paltrow's performance and moment of silence at the beginning? What did that have to do with anything relevant to the script?

If you have to pick one, pick CAPOTE over INFAMOUS.

CAPOTE: ****/****
INFAMOUS: **/****

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~ I've seen & love both movie. But I prefer Capote.



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I'm not going to compare the two, because they are different. I thought that the extent to which Hoffman was lauded for his mimicking of Capote was way overblown--I can do better. But his movie was quite good, regardless.

So was Infamous. I liked the semi-documentary structure, the interplay between Toby and Daniel Craig (an excellent actor) and (sorry I forget the actress's name who played Nelle.

Don't try to play one of the movies off against the other. They are very different, and each is worth watching.

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I liked both versions of the same accounts.
Both were very, very well done and while Capote might have been closer to the facts, as a movie, I found both very worthwile to be watched.

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They are both very good, and it's really not fair to try and say which is "better". Different actors, different directors, different focus on the same story. I would say I was more moved by and had more of an emotional reaction from "Capote", but felt more sympathetic empathy for the characters in "Infamous", if that makes any sense.
What surprises me is how "Capote" got such a buzz, while "Infamous" has stayed below the radar.

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That's true, cuz they're both ultra-independent. I think it was just such a push to finally nominated Philip Seymour Hoffman that eventually more people realized the movie was good too. It also had a much better Oscar campaign.

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Both films were extraordinary. I preferred Infamous. I'm astonished at the comments that Infamous was like a movie of the week and was more main stream. The sexual tension between Toby's Capote and Daniel Craig's Perry Smith was so palpable you could cut it with a knife. And that KISS!!! Gimme a break! Mainstream! I was in tears at the end of Infamous.

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I agree, both movies were very good. I really liked Capote and thought Hoffman did a great job. But I think in the back of my mind I knew he was an actor doing a great job.

I actually cried a bit at the end of Infamous. It really fleshed out the characters. I followed what was happening more than noticing the actors. Jones was perfect for the role. I felt more for the characters in Infamous than in Capote.

So if I had to recommend one over the other, I would recommend Infamous.

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Infamous. Toby Jones BECAME Capote.

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I cried at the end of Infamous. Capote didn't evoke much.

Infamous was more natural, and Capote was more staged.

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I feel asleep during Capote; however, I watched Infamous straight through twice in a single afternoon. FWIW.

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I am going with Infamous...it was totally more entertaining and I feel asleep during Capote. Movies are suppose to be fun. Infamous was fun. Simple.

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