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What the fock is in the box?




i've seen the movie and one thing puzzled me the most:what was in that box? i know this is not the most important issue about the movie but i'm curios ,what was in that box?????

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It was a battery. He put the battery in the boat.

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hi everyone,


first of all, congratulations to this excellent thread

second of all, isn't it interesting when the filmmakers make us feel the boys might catch their father with the box at the old house? later we see that the father has gotten away, and the sons find the worms in the hole digged by their father

isn't it like when people don't understand each other? like different actions slipped in time?


what do you guys think?


andrea

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At first i thought it was, but what the director said makes it more complicated now

I would support the argument about misunderstanding between humans
The box is a symbol of distance between the father and his sons
Everyone has his secret that cannot be told, or unwilling to tell others

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hi there again,


check out what yll99 wrote: 'audience asked the same question [about the last photos, whether the father had disappeared] to the director and the director just said: if you understand this part, you will understand the whole movie. i think this movie is a symbol: perhaps the people in russia just want to forget and erase USSR as if it has never existed.'

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They never took photos of him because he was a scary violent crazy SOB.

-- I walk around mumbling to myself. People think I'm not crazy - they think I'm on my cell phone.

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Tools to fix the Motor

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I thought it was the money dad and his accomplices stole before he went to prison for 12 years.

-- I walk around mumbling to myself. People think I'm not crazy - they think I'm on my cell phone.

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Thought vague, it seems to me that many people here are on the right track. Where we are not supposed to actually give the contents of the box a name; but instead, I read a reviewer who stated that the contents of the box represent a shady past. And that the father equals that of the old Soviet Union. In fact, they said that the 12 years of his absence equals the 12 years since the fall of communist Russia from when the movie was created. And therefore, Ivan represented the new Russia which wants to go against its history. And his brother is sort of stuck inbetween the two. I think this idea makes the movie a whole lot more interesting, though I'm not sure I would have figured that out on my own.

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Well to me, the box is really not that important nor the fact that we never found out what was in it. The box, as well what the father was up to is a backdrop for this movie. The movie has nothing to do with being a thriller. The movie is about father son relationships , how absence cannot be healed in only minimal time, and the eternity of loss.

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Do you guys remember that they went to this kind of fishing station of something, and the dad got this huge package from these guys (that looked like a dead body to me)? what happened to that?

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Maybe it was the same thing that was in the suitcase in Pulp Fiction.

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Exactly. That box is a classical plot device called MacGuffin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin . What's in it is your interest and attention, and the length of this thread is proof enough that MacGuffin works as well as ever.

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film_fetish, I believe the large package was simply the motor for the boat.

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Nine years later, answering your question. The package was the outboard motor. You see him unwrapping it later at the beach.

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the man´s love for his kids is in that box, the man had it hidden since the last time he saw his kids many years ago and that is why is so important for him to pick it up as soon as he is in contact with his children again, it drowns with him, so the kids get to think that he never loved them. that is my interpretation. I think that the fact that they never show what´s in it, makes it much more powerfull, since you can make your own opinion on what it contains. many people say it has pictures, some others say money. i say its love because it is something invaluable impossible to see (that´s why they never show it) or explain (even more for a tough guy like him) and he kept it hidden for his own sake for all the time hi is away from them.

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nicely said

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best yet - kudos

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Great film of really debut director, i'm proud of this film
I think Patrick is right. The love, and only love can be in that box. Love don't buy for the money which you can bury in to soils. And he met to show own love to kids at this camping, open this box. It's a simbol.

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I was wondering about this too, but it didn't spoil the film for me and I didn't think it was a mistake.
I like your interpretation that the Father's love was in the box. In the UK we get used to watching Hollywood films that are mostly WYSIWYG (that's an observation not a criticism), but this example just shows how the use of metaphors can enhance a well-made film.

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I really like you're point of view! I also think most of the movie have a symbolic meaning only...

When I watched the movie I was dragged back and forth and left to right...never knowing what to think about the father. Sometimes he seemed careing, sometimes like a criminal. The movie always tried to confuse in its best way. It's also looks like the father have some secret he wont tell the boys, this is what the viewer is waiting for to reveal throughout the whole movie. Unfortunately the father dies with all questions unanswered... and thats what makes the movie so damned good!

For me a good movie doesnt have to touch you in a positive way, or leave you happily satisfied... This movie is a prove of that!

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very very hard question.I ve just watched the movie and still trying to solve it.but it may be a stash...and the father may be and old criminal

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the box is a personification of the father. it represents his past - the answers Andrey and Ivan are wanting. It disappears into the sea with the body as to suggest the boys will never know. I found some closure in that and never questioned what was in the box.

My YMDb: http://www.ymdb.com/forest-law/l32806_ukuk.html

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It is an ammunition box. But it seems too light for heavy cartridges...

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I don't know if this has been suggested before (thread too long), but I think it's money or other valuables. As I see it, he committed a robbery, hid the prey and went to prison (which a mother surely wouldn't tell her sons, right?). He has now returned for the prey from the robbery. This would also explain his violent behavior and the fact that he really doesn't seem to care about the boys, despite being their father.

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my interpretation is this.
what was in the box and the story behind it would have indeed, explained why the father had been absent for 12 years.
the young family that we see from the pictures are happy, but the events 12 years ago, during the breakup of the soviet union, destruction of the political order also led to a massive change in all other aspects in people lives. The change in the econimic system led massive unemployment and social upheaval. 'fathers' would find themselves in the situation of not being able to 'provide' for their family. Life became very difficult. if they could not provide for their family, then what their role would be. this was now, a 'new russia', and new realities.
the father felt these hard realities and like many inm the new russia, had to make some tough decisions. some risky business.
the business he became involved in, in order that he could provide for his family, did not go as he hoped it would.
so he had to 'disappear' (See 'consequences of love' by sorrentino), for a while, either prison, or perhaps more likely, something had happened in a business deal with local mafia organisations.
and so i would guess that the box contained something of monetary value- gold, jewellary?

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