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Zero mention of the Yanks?


Please don't get me wrong with this topic title; I enjoyed this screenplay very much from the fine direction to the sets and costumes to the scripting. Kudos to the cast that all performed with excellence, (and I was especially disarmed by Miranda Richardson as Queen Mary if you needed to know). Certainly it afforded educated insight of the challenges, and the resulting successes and failures, of a precariously inept royalty during that period that I would have not otherwise ever known of let alone considered.

However, after I dried my eyes and the credits were rolling, I realized that there was something missing... With a great portion of the performance centered upon the horrors of WW1 and how royalty was becoming totally inefficacious in doing anything to either prevent it, stop it or win it, I did not catch one mention of America entering the war. Granted, casualty-wise, (and not to diminish the sacrifice of any soldier in any way), the USA was a mere footnote compared to the losses of Russia, Germany, Austria, England and France. But perhaps such low casualties out of over four million US soldiers mobilized can be seen as either the result of our lateness in arriving, our ability in fighting to win or a combination of both?

The fact remains however, (and this was brought out well and repeatedly in the play), that morale had reached new lows with earlier assumptions of a quick Allied victory becoming very dubious with most everyone at home waiting day to day to hear whether or not the Germans had broken through Allied lines.

That's when we yanks showed up and turned the tide in the Spring of 1918. If we had never shown up, that war might have lasted yet another 4 or 5 years and the death toll doubled to over 18 million but not with only more soldier's lives - certainly more women and children too with many of those being English and French.

As the expression goes, "If you don't toot your own horn, who will?" Well, I 'toot' only that I was dismayed that American involvement was not mentioned in this screenplay and that led me to ask the question why? Is the absence some sort of European psychological process of denial at play or is it a reflection on the affect intravenous doses of liberal news media have upon them in regard to Iraq?

If the latter, let me make one thing perfectly clear to my European brothers and sisters, if the USA had had a hawk president in 1914 and a willing populace that put him there, (and I say 'him' because women couldn't even vote back then let alone be president..), and we had entered the war near the start, is there any doubt that it would have tipped the scales and MILLIONS of lives would have been saved? If we had all stopped Hitler from taking Poland in 1938, (per what should have happened per the Treaty of Versailles, correct?), is there any doubt that many more MILLIONS of lives would have been saved? And yet, if such had indeed taken place there would remain no proof of such millions having been saved! There would be only the musings of political pundits bandying about their experts' projections in tabloids whining about what was wrong with doing it and of what 'might of' occurred and all them likely wrong in one fashion or another.

If that alternative outcome sounds a wee bit familiar and, if those two wars were of any indication, it seems that the USA was guilty back then of waiting too long while watching evil power gather in the distance and all of us in the free world guilty of watching history repeat itself in WW2. Let it be known that I for one see George Bush and Tony Blair as two leaders of the free world unwilling to watch it all happen yet again with both knowing fully well there will be little or nothing to prove 'what might have happened' if they had been as willing to wait and watch as were our leaders in the past. The courage to endure the prospect of such lack of proof, endure the tabloid pundits et al, to me, is the mark of true leaders and was, apparently, a painfully absent quality back in 1914. Though this screenplay did make its mark on that point, I believe that it should have at least mentioned that we were there too so that people might consider that, today, the yanks have come to the rescue yet again but, this time, - on time.

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I just watched this movie the last two nights on CBC.
It seems to me that mentioning the Americans really wasn't relevant. Maybe I missed it but I didn't even notice a scene about the war ending!
If you think the movie should have mentioned big moments in the war, then they also left out the moment the Canadians took Vimy Ridge after all the other Allies failed (first time we fought as 'Canadians' too though very much connected to our British-ness)

Good movie for what it was: the life of Johnie over the back ground of upheaval in Europe.

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To life_lisa: Right, Canadians fought in WWI right from day one as a member of the British Empire, but we rarely do get mentioned for our part in important battles; again because we were still looked upon as a colony, even though we'd been a independent country since 1867. How many Americans or British viewers of this series remember our part at Vimy Ridge or Passiondale for instance? Our important heroes like RCAF pilot Billy Bishop? I wouldn't and still don't take no mention of Canada's part in WWI in other dramas as some sort of personal insult, just ignorance for which I forgive those responsible. American's who feel insulted by no mention should realize this story was about a young boy's view of what was going on around him, and whose awareness of of American and even Canadian involvement in WWI was probably nil; only his knowledge of how the people who had taken care of the house and property went off to fight in the war, some not coming back, was his main knowledge of what was happening.

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Cool movie, dumb topic

If you want to watch films that kiss US ass stick with US films boyo

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The film is about how an insanely rich privileged family deals with a disabled child..
Once you get that into your head you'll realise how pathetically inane your question is.

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Your remark really doesn't deserve a reply but I can't allow anyone to think that this film is merely something about 'rich privileged people' or about a kid with a disability. Did you actually watch it? It's been quite a while since I did but ...

It was masterfully prepared parallel whereby the royal family's relationship to their kingdom was very much the same as Johnny's relationship to them. The country had little time or use for royalty at a time of political upheaval and world war. So royalty was sidelined and no one really paid much attention to them at all. They were just tucked away and ignored. So as Johnny's parents were being treated that way during a time of war, they were in turn treating Johnny in that exact same manner without even realizing it. They had no use for him; the country had no use for them.

It worked the other way as well. There was a striking difference between Johnny's fantasies of what was going on around him and the reality of what was happening. He wasn't really loved by them but he thought that he was anyway even as they hid him away and made excuses to him. Likewise they had their fantasies about the world as well. The king imagined he was somehow a factor involved in the control of the country when in fact he was not in control of anything. Those who were in control, Parliament and or Prime Minister made excuses to them, kept them in the dark and just tried to not to upset them; ... the same way they treated Johnny.

As I said in an earlier post - "He had a childish, simplistic yet adoring perception of his own parents. Was that not the very same perception the royals had of Britain? "

There's a lot more to the parallel than I can recall so I think I'll watch it again. I suggest that you do as well and, this time, with the above in mind.

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I got the parallel thing. But not mentioning the Americans involvement wasn't personal. There're other countries that didn't get mentioned...

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Why should they? This wasn't a war film - it was a film about George V's youngest son, Prince John, and is shown mostly through his eyes and that of his brother George. This is also a Briish film as given the fact the Americans only turned up towards the very end of the war there is no reason why Prince John would care or even know America was in it. As other posters have said, you'd have thought there were hardly any Brits at all from what we see in "Saving Priate Ryan". The most they could have said about them was "About bloody time!"

Besides, I was crying too much to care who was in the war at the end.

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I don't know how many times I have to mention this... My thematic perception of the film is that there is a distinct parallel being portrayed between two relationships; the relationship 'A' between John and his parents and the relationship 'B' between them and England. John's parents treat him exactly as England treats them -- dotingly but hidden away, out of the loop and kept in the dark. Likewise, John naively views his parents as being loving and caring about him in the same sort of way that they in turn believe England loves and respects them. WW1 was the death blow to any remaining notion that royalty could run a country let alone be in command of modern warfare. "Yes, even though we have zero use for even having a King and Queen anymore, we don't want to hurt their feelings so we'll just keep them ~around~ and make them feel loved and wanted." The MINOR, (and how many times do I have to also mention THAT), point I was making was that the mere mention of Americans coming into the war, given their rejection of royalty 150 years prior, seemed like something that would of fit into the overall theme as I saw it. I never said it was a 'war film' (?).

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As mentioned before this film is focused on Prince John and his family. Why do Americans believe such war movies should always mention their part in helping with both WW? I have never as yet came across a film (where there is any please tell) which mention the help of Australia, New Zealand etc. Australia and New Zealand were helping the war effort long before America decided to get off their ar*ses to join both worldwars.

So why do they suspect if there is a war movie that their country has to be mentioned. Sometimes I believe yanks should get off their high horse and see they are not always number 1.

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But this film is NOT a 'war movie'. It is spitting on the face of royalty who was responsible for the escalation of hostilities that turned into WW1 including Czar Nicholas II who also made things ripe for the Bolshevik revolution later, (with Lenin then Stalin then Hitler and WW2 then the cold war after, etc.). Ten's of millions died in the wake of actions by a choice few royal autocrats. The English got it right and basically regarded their royalty as as irrelevant figureheads - as the film correctly portrays them to be.

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Can somebody PLEASE stop feeding this troll "mike-2309" ??
Clearly he has NO clue about anything!!!

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Got anything else to do besides attack people without so much as offering even the slightest hint of how they disturbed you? Then again, perhaps you are just 'disturbed' for no particular reason. I have no way of telling thusfar...

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How dare you! The world does not, nor to an even greater extent did it revolve around the USA.
At the time, you were a minor political power, with virtually no influence, political, mercantile nor military, on the world stage.
WWI was initially an European affair, your eventual participation (late, as usual) was precipitated almost solely by financial interests, in fact, it was quite a surprise to most of Europe that you did not support Germany, but then, had you done so, and the Allies had lost, your bankers would never have recuperated their investments, would they?
Had WWI not exhausted the major political powers (with the exception of white Russia), your star would not have risen so inexorably, and you would not hold that power today.
This drama is set at the hight of British Imperial power. At the time, most of the world was pink!
If Poliakoff set a drama in the present day, regardless of its geographical setting, he would doubtless make mention of the US policy of meddling in others' business, but he hasn't, and hopefully won't.
The focus of this film is on the public and private relationships within the Royal household, both above and below stairs, and how certain parties could not allow personal feelings to colour their attitudes, something else I shouldn't expect you to understand, after all, our Head of State has only been in the public eye for 62 years!

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

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How dare you? Did I write-
1. That the world revolved around the USA?
2. That the USA was a major political power then?
3. Anything about the stinking bankers?
4. That US involvement in WW1 was anything other than late?
5. That our late arrival was not a mistake?

No, no, no, no and no! So allow me to suggest that you stow your silly faux outrage.

Do you disagree that if the USA had not shown up that millions more people would have likely died on both sides? Didn't I directly lament that fact? "the USA was guilty back then of waiting too long while watching evil power gather in the distance". That was aimed at the pacifists out there that think wars will not happen if you hide head in the sand while the evil gains strength; hence my support for ending Saddam Hussein's regime of evil...

As I pointed out later in other posts, this film clearly established a parallel of two relationships. One relationship was how the prime minister and the people of England had come to view royalty; the other was how the king and queen had come to view their own son. Keep them/him out of sight, they/he don't/doesn't fully comprehend what is going on, coddle them/him as much as you can to keep them comfortable and let them believe they are helping, etc. That parallel was used throughout the entire film switching back and forth to highlight the similarities.

And... thank you for reacting.

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No, you're absolutely correct, and I apologize for overreacting...And I hadn't read your later posts, so let me try and make amends...
Yes, I totally agree, had the USA not joined the allies, the situation that had stagnanted in Europe might well have continued indefinitely. I think it is important to remember that WWI was not really won by the allies, but was lost by Imperial Germany. Had Gen. Pershing's wishes been fulfilled, a ceasefire would never have been agreed to, the Treaty of Versailles would never had been signed, and the Armies that he commanded would have continued marching all the way to Berlin, so, rather than criticizing the USA's late involvment, perhaps I should be turning my comments inward, because the British and French governments' reluctance to push their exhausted troops further probably contributed directly to the re-emergence of Germany as an European superpower in the 1930's.
It's been some years since I watched the second part of the film, so I shall reserve judgement until next week, but according to contemporary accounts, Queen Mary was not sympathetically portrayed, ie: in real life, she was a caring mother, but had to deal with the many layers of insulation that lay between herself and her children, I shall be more interested in the 2nd part, because at the close of part 1, Prince John can only have a matter of months to live, so perhaps coverage is more detailed.
The relationship between British Royalty and their subjects has always been a strange one. At this time, George V was Emperor of more subjects than he was King. He wasn't unaware of the winds of change that were blowing, but seemed impotent to do anything about them. Although he is credited with tackling the Irish question, he did nothing to resolve it...Until matters came to a head in 1916, by which time his attention was diverted elsewhere. British subjects have historically looked for sympathetic leadership from their rulers, while always remembering that the power resides in Downing Street.
We shall talk again next week, and once again, I apologize unreservedly. I get rather hot under the collar at remarks questioning the relevance of non-american drama being made and shown to americans, when we (in the UK) are constantly bombarded by the US equivalent sailing over the pond to us. Still, it could be worse, I could be French...

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

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Like I already said, I liked the film very much and I am only trying to make a minor point saying that it wouldn't have hurt to have included a single line such as this for example, "Oh, it says here that the USA is going to send troops to help us. Aren't they the same ones that wrote that nasty note to King George III way back when?"


Gollywoggers!

All's I got to say is, boy howdy, that sure is some gooooood screenwritin' you got going there.

Methinks you missed your calling, OP, Hollywood needs top-notch writing talent like yours, young man!

Yes, I'm, like, so sure that's exactly what George V and his family would have thought about the American entry into World War I. Why, it's almost like you're channeling these guys!

Really, dude, your contributions to the "Lost Prince" boards have been just priceless! Why, just the fulvent praise of the sagacity of Gulf War II,just that, taken by itself, is pure comedy gold!

"I don't deduce, I observe."

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The Yanks have nothing to do with the history of a British prince. America is less important then you appear to think.

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