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Did she have a very valid point to make at the end?

posted 2 years ago by TheMan18 (12675)
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When she angrily and sadly stated to her friend that she was sending "a victim of sexual abuse" (her) to death (remember her "May you burn in hell" speech), even if in this movie, the death penalty wasn't carried out "FOR" that reason but DESPITE that - but was Charlize Theron's character here implying that the law should STILL have been by rights, law (yeah, that too) and logic, more understanding and compassionate given her sad history and that aspect too, and not simply give her a death penalty like that?

And that her friend should've been far more careful and considerate here?

So that for one, besides also not WANTING to be killed whether despite her sad history or because or even DESPITE she also drove herself to the dark side as well, both her friend and law as potential "good guys" can look better and more civilized as well and not just say primitive, barbaric, animalistic, whether deliberately maliciously (which is what we ESPECIALLY want to avoid!) or even via circumstances (remember also how, different story perhaps, and incidentally it was a man there albeit a black man in a racial 1930s America, in "The Green Mile" (1999) - SPOILERS, was sent to death row (even if he did NOT protest it and actually ASKED for it, unlike Aileen Wuornos in this movie) even when some staff members actually DISCOVERED his innocence, even if via supernatural means) as well.

[–] TheMan18 (12675) 2 years ago

Also, was her friend REALLY to blame and responsible here, in what ways exactly did SHE send her to death?

[–] TheMan18 (12675) 2 years ago

I thought the law including death sentence operated entirely independently of what certain people wanted or what position they took in any case when it comes to charging criminals, no?

[–] liscarkat (17028) 8 months ago

"Sad history" is no excuse. She was a monster, and got what she earned by her own behavior. She could have avoided being executed by choosing not to murder people. She deserved no compassion.

[–] TheMan18 (12675) 7 months ago

2 liscarkat - I'm not saying that most of what her character did was right and that she didn't need to face some consequences for at least some of her murderous actions that we saw in this movie.

And it may not be a "total" excuse but it does offer at least a small percentage of understandable mitigating circumstances as opposed to if the culprit had no such history and say either just snapped or killed for pleasure etc or out of power or sadistic impulses like, well, we have seen many times happen in movies in generally, and at least occasionally come across such cases in real life at times too.

But having her yell out "Sending a r@ped woman to death" has sort of, among other things, as well as her serious history involving abuse, made me understand her character and not entirely cheer for her comeuppance and it also made me not think 100% positively of law ESPECIALLY its one aspect known as "death penalty", and I didn't just think of her as total villain and the legal system including capital punishment as being the total way to go.

"She could have avoided being executed by choosing not to murder people."
From what I saw in this movie she was driven to this state which also involved insanity. No exactly a black and white case involving "choosing" the correct option. And some of the men she killed was in self defense as well.

And death penalty and capital punishment have faced plenty of criticism from rational, normal and decent people with good intentions in and of itself and it was believed to be going too far at times even if it targeted guilty people.

ALSO, HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION...

Why didn't anyone in the jury RESPOND when she uttered that "Sending..." line to at least try to make themselves more understandable and less monstrous? Or even that girl itself whom she accused of it? Maybe have someone in that court room make a speech about "Two wrongs don't make a right".

[–] TheMan18 (12675) 6 months ago

And the point I was making or WONDERING at least was whether with that line of speech she actually DID have a VALID point to make DESPITE her wrongful deeds OR if she mostly tried to, you know, manipulate people into feeling sorry for her (although the abuse she faced and that r-worded deed does count in her favour at least) and everyone in that courtroom at least, and possibly understandably too (read - WITHOUT one sidedly EVIL intentions like that), did know it but proceeded with capital punishment anyways because systematically it was a dead end, and that two wrongs don't make a right and that perhaps they had no other choice but to give the death penalty even in spite of those matters.

But it would've been interested if people or at least some of them in the jury could have refuted her words and made an argument but WITHOUT being too insensitive per say.

And also... Couldn't she HERSELF perhaps understand it too? And what if she for instance wasn't a victim of those matters, what argument would she use THEN? Or would she just accept it silently and at least understand it from their perspective even if she doesn't fully agree?

[–] Foster (876) 5 months ago

I just looked at her Wikipedia Bio and I'd say she was good with the sentence. Looked forward to it

Remember this is Hollywood TRUTH is only important if it doesn't get in the way of the story

[–] TheMan18 (12675) 5 months ago

One way of looking at it, yes, but what did you think of what I wrote above? Even IF you disagree, did she have a point to make? And also, well, yeah, in what way exactly did her friend like that "send her to death"? What, she supported the death penalty against her, imposed it herself? And if not, why not express such anger at THE SYSTEM?

[–] Foster (876) 5 months ago

Only a small point--- She was a little crazy , she could blame on her upbringing,

But Rape???

Considering her business, I know that doesn't qualify rape but 7 fucking times and NO Police report, on a rape,