Thoughts on the film


I just saw this film for the first time and it blew me away. Incredible character development and, of course, brilliant acting. The coen brothers are some of the best writers/directors around today.

This is what i think the film is about (bear in mind ive only seen it once, so i might be a bit off the mark on some things).

This film is all about human interactions, what defines people and communication. Eds character (played beuatifully by billy bob thornton) doesn't talk much, to anyone, about anything. Because of this he never really connects with anyone, this is what i think is the defining point of the film. He has a wife he hardly knows because he doesn't talk to her. The scene in jail when he takes her her glasses and make-up shows this, along with the unconscious scene near the end after the crash (along with pretty much every scene with the two of them).

He is constantly getting screwed by people because he doesn't speak out. The dry cleaning guy, the bank guy when the barbershop gets sold to the bank. This may even be the reason he gets the chair, but this is not shown (does it need to be?). The trial is going really well and its even looking as if he might get off, then he gets a new lawyer and for no reason is pleading guilty. You can even imagine the conversation that leads to this, his new lawyer saying he should plead guilty, and ed just sat there not saying anything, just agreeing to everything in as few words as possible.

Because of his insane lack of communication skills ed starts to see himself as alienated from everyone else. He starts thinking about alien abductions and how when 'big dave' gets abducted his wife says he changed. THe desire to change leads to the dream sequence at the end when the aliens turn up, shine a light on him, and he just stands there not doing anything. The aliens leave, rejecting ed as everyone he knows has. The nod after this shows his acceptance of this, he doesnt fit in with anyone, not even aliens. If you want to change it has to come from within, you need to actually put effort into it instead of just standing there waiting for it to happen. He accepts the fact he will never fit in, and ends up wanting death (the pure whiteness of the last scene in the electric chair room) in the hope of whatever comes afterwards will be better for him ('maybe up there they have words for what i feel'.....something like that anyway, dont remember exactly)

This film is about people being defined by what they say and do, and because ed never says or does anything he really is 'the man who wasnt there'. The first scene when he says he doesnt like being called a barber, and then the courtroom scene at the end where he is constantly called 'the barber....the barber' for lack of any other way to define him. His constant lack of action throughout his life leads people to label him with the only thing they know about him, he is a barber. Strong existentialist undertones.

Never before has a film made me want to talk to people so much.

The other theme throughout the film is how everyone has a secret, nobody is what they seem, but i can't be bothered to go into this now due to my inherent laziness.

Thoughts anyone?

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I just saw it for the 2nd time and was again amazed at the Coen's skill. Yet,
it reminded me of their first(Blood Simple)--oddball characters who have an agenda that goes awry. I thought the scene with Ed's wife's lawyer stating "the more you look at a thing, the less you know what it is" may be been a bit tongue-in-cheek for the movie itself and may have been intended to mock those who overstudy film for some hidden or deeper meaning. It also underscored the futility and randomness of life. The haunting music score helps accentuate the sense of existentalism.
One last point-- Ed's dismissal of the "alien" story by Big Dave's wife was ironic as Ed, himself, was alien to the society in which he lived.

BaldeagleOne

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mbyadss, that really made sense, great explaination.



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I agree that Ed's lack of communication creates a disconnect between his internal self and his external life - it's as if Ed is in his own solipsistic universe, completely separate from what he perceives as external reality. TMWWT focuses on the dissonance between the inner personality (and goals: dry cleaning, relationship with Birdy, etc) of Ed Crane and the life which seems forced upon him.

However, I think that - to the extent the movie takes any position on existentialism - the movie is anti-existentialist.

For me, the central point of the movie - why Ed Crane "wasn't there" is that his internal self seems to be irrelevant to the external reality of his life. For all his internal profound musings and gifted storytelling, in his outside life he contributes almost no meaningful dialogue. For all of his desires and dreams and hopes, his external situation seems to be almost completely hopeless and unfolds mechanistically, almost as if controlled by forces beyond his comprehension (I think that the whole flying saucer motif is the Coen brothers' somewhat facetious explanation of what cosmic forces are controlling Ed's life).

But what makes the film profoundly anti-existentialist (or maybe dis-existentialist) is the calm acceptance. Ed, realizing that his life is not under his control, doesn't fight to regain control but accepts it as something he cannot change -

for me, this is the true significance of the small "Ed nod" featured several times in the movie.

The film seems to suggest that it is not, in fact, our individual decisions, personalities, or actions which shape our lives, but forces beyond our control - this is precisely the opposite of existentialism.

So, I do not completely agree with your analysis (but, how boring would it be if all I had to say was: "why yes, you're completely right!" ?), though I find your point of view interesting.

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I agree about Ed accepting his fate and this leads to his downfall. His belief in his fate actually changes his fate. He had free will all along but never used it.

I don't believe that the film is anti-existentialist. There are no forces beyond anyone's control in the story. The film is in fact suggesting that our individual decisions, personalities, and actions shape our lives. Ed seems to continually overanalyze things, lost in his own head, afraid to make any decisions at all. I think he's afraid to make mistakes in life because he wants to die without regrets. I guess he got his wish, though he is clearly in denial at the end. The UFO represents his total detachment from the reality of his life and his own personal responsibility. He wants to believe that aliens were controlling him all along. This is the only way he can gain any inner peace.

Having said this, I do believe karma comes into play when Ed is arrested and convicted for the murder of Tolliver. I think he got what he deserved in the end for what he did to Doris, Frank, Dave and in a way, Tolliver.

Quite exciting, this computer magic!

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It's not so much anti-existentialist as it's absurdist. If you read the works of Albert Camus, this movie will be quite clear to you. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we find out that Coen got his inspiration from Camus' The Stranger. There is a LOT of similarity between those 2 stories.

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yeah, great explanation. i hope everyone who said this movie is overrated and somehow pointless will read this.

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I've only seen the film once, so I have nothing yet to contribute other than to say it's great to see a troll-free thread with some actual intelligent discussion taking place.




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Are you still alive? did you make the transition from IMDB? lol

Everyone (but Ed) is pretending to be something in life to get ahead. The main characters are dissatisfied with their position/role in life. All seeking meaning or filling of their respective voids.
The Exceptions are the Brother Frank the barber (inherited biz from father), Reidenschneider the lawyer and maybe Birdy.

Ed hates being the barber. (does he have a shady/dark past?). Goes through the motions in life.
Though Birdy has some talent, she has no aspiration for music, but mentions wanting to be a veterinarian.
Tolliver is probably a scam artist. Wears a rug. Talks a big game. He's chasing the big buck. Paying down installments on his fake hair though. A shyster.
Doris is miserable & a drinker. Falls for another liar, schemes to steal money to get ahead. Hates family. She only goes to church to play Bingo.
Big Ed is a phony his whole life. Married into money. Did well considering, but is greedy and tries to steal/cheat to get his own piece of the pie.
Birdy's father is a bit aloof, but seems comfortable. Something seems to be missing though.
Big Ed's wife is unhappy ( he stops touching her after he's "abducted by the UFO"...err Doris)

They are all looking to get ahead and be their own man/woman and unhappy w/their position in life.

Frank is happy, loves family, doesn't long for more. Isn't fooled by bankers/lawyers show of wealth.
Birdy seems happy and is young enough not to over-think.

The Macadum sales guy puts up a happy face, but Doris see's right through him and tells him to get lost

How does Doris so easily see through the Driveway guy and not Big Ed?

OP is way off on the UFO analysis.

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I agree, it’s a very compelling and powerful movie.

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