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Did they take it too far with Tim Drake?


I have to say I think so. What the joker did to him was just too freaky. Also, would Batman take in someone so young?

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this film is dark, so seeing this with Drake was disturbing, however the joker doesn't have a "Too far", even in the animated series what he did was more shocking than what some big budget action films were doing at the time.

As for Batman taking him in, he didn't want him to become Robin, seeing what it had done to Dick Grayson. Alfred was the one who convinced both of them. So the real question is, "WHY DID ALFRED MAKE TIM BECOME ROBIN?!?!?"

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how old is Tim supposed to be in the comics? I do think they went too far, that jokerized crying tim was way too much, I feel like I saw someone getting raped or something.

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Tim in the comics i wanna say is around15-16. I think they were allowed to go more into dark storytelling, since they were handed the joker's death. IMO it's the best Joker death scene, and watching someone struggle with that psychologically like Tim does at the end of the flashback just shows how impactful the joker can be, even from beyond the grave. This whole movie is amazing for me, but the flashback sequence had me sold, because them getting dark with this series, felt very real to me

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well I think the dark knight returns is way darker, or at least it's very dark but doesn't go to far for me, I don't know.

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