After the first tour they meet at the mansion to record another album. Chris/Izzy says he has written songs. Did he really think they would record them?
Perhaps record one or maybe break them in on tour?
From that time passing montage, I feel like it was more than just a tour, but a handful of years that the band had been together when he wanted to contribute.
I feel they were being unfair in not even considering his ideas.
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I don't think so. I think that he thought that he was really part of the band and that they were going to listen to him. They were being disrespectful not to listen to him.
shareTo some degree, yes. He stepped into an established band with an established heirarchy. Since he was a fan of Steel Dragon, one would assume he was familiar with the fact that "A.C. and Kirk write the songs". It would be presumptive of Chris to automatically assume he'd have a hand in writing new material.
Yes, it would be a nice gesture of the band at least listened to his ideas, but as Kirk said, they have an established fan base and their fans expect certain things. Perhaps they are not the kind of band who like to "experiment". Maybe he had a gem or two in his pocket, but it seems like Chris's first album with the band may not be the best time to get pissy over the fact that they don't want to hear your songs.
To tie it in with the Judas Priest story, Halford, Glenn and KK wrote most of their songs. When Halford left, Glenn and KK took over the songwriting for all the songs on their first album with Ripper. On the second album, they expanded it a little bit, but it was mainly them. And if you've heard any of Ripper's songs, you'd know why they didn't let him write (I love Ripper, but he's not the best songwriter).
So, to answer your question, Kirk could have been a little more tactful and honestly that issue was something that should have been hammered out when he joined the band, but yes, I think Chris was being a little pushy and his response was a little petulent. Just my opinion.
The point of the scene was to have him finally realize how the other members of the tribute band had felt about him making all of the decisions. Once he realized his contributions were not welcomed, he said he owed the lead guitarist of the tribute band an apology.
shareAgree. The irony was that members of the tribute band wanted to do some original composition and were rebuked by the soon to be Izzy.
He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.
Chris was eager to establish his own identity.
First he is known as the lead singer of a cover band, errr, tribute band, which of course consists of playing 100% of other people's music.
Then he joins an already-established band that he had been knocking off for years, and wanted to demonstrate to both himself and them, that he wasn't just an impressionist.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
Yeah I stopped liking his character at this point. He dropped his other friends for wanting to do their original material because he loves steel hard on, or whatever they're called, so much. Then he gets all pouty and whiny because HES IN THE BAND HE LOVES SO MUCH AND HAS TO SING THEIR SONGS. GO BACK TO SEATTLE YA TW**
shareTrue ... he did not want to do original music, however, his friends dropped him. They kicked him out of the band.
shareI think the very important topic of songwriting would have been discussed earlier.
Maybe but they still could have recorded a couple of his tunes anyway and thrown one or two on the CD. It’s not like Hair Boy 1 and Hair Boy 2 were Lennon and McCartney ffs.
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