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question about German General surrendering to Lipton


Ok so let's do a recap on that scene... and sorry for asking but I have no military background or friends in the military.

Winters and Lipton are at the lake and Winters says there's some pissed off general who won't surrender to a Sergeant (was it Heffron?). Ok I guess that makes sense because sergeants aren't officers, right?

Anyway, Winters drives back with Lipton, arrives at the scene, the German General approaches, and Winters doesn't even talk... he simply gestures the General pointing at Lipton.

So what happened here?

1. Did Winters want Lipton to get some experience on "handling surrenders of German General?", since he himself (Winters) had already done too many? (I think he did like two earlier in the same episode?

2. Did Winters (a Major) want the General to surrender to Lipton (a Lieutenant), only to humilliate (in a polite way) the German General?

3. Why didn't Winters make the General surrender to say Nixon or Speirs?

4. Why didn't Winters even talk to the General? Was it also to humilliate him or no talk was needed, and simple gesturing was enough?

5. If the answers to all my questions are "yes, to humilliate him", does that serve the purpose of the scene to make it more powerful, after listing to the German General's speech, hence Winters realizing the Germans had gone through the same hell as them?

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I didn't take it like that-- that Winters was trying to humiliate the German General.

My take was that the General and his troops came in to surrender and were met by HefFron or some other Senior NCO.

The German General balked at surrendering to a NCO so the troops on the scene either radioed or called in for instructions.

Winters back at HQ heard about it and he and Nixon plus some other HQ staff then drove over to the airfield with Lipton.

So basically the senior officers weren't there to begin with. They heard about it and then drove over.

When Winters pulls up, the German General see's he's a Senior Officer. Winters gestures at Lipton and the General is satisfied.

My take anyway.

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ok, but why not let the General surrender to him himself (Winters), or to Nixon (a Captain).

Why Lipton (a leiutenant).

Also, what's the deal with not surrendering to Heffron (a sergeant)?

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Well I would think its a matter of degree--

The General is coming in to formally surrender his command and his men.

After a hard war he probably doesn't want to hand over his weapons to some NCO at a checkpoint on the side of the road.

But yet beggars can't be choosers-- he IS surrendering and his side did lose the war.

So he asks to see the commanding officer and so Winters is sent for. Which would not be out of line given the general's rank.

Winters arrives and and the General see's he's the senior officer.

The General gives a small bow in a greeting to Winters, and Winters gestures to LIpton, a junior officer.

So honor is satisfied-- its a formal surrender to an officer with the senior (commanding) officer looking on. You might say it was the best offer the general was likely to get so he took it. Many of the Generals fellow officers did far worse-- and he would know this.

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Let me clear up something for the OP. Privates do the dirty work, like Lieutenants do for Major's and Colonel's. So to answer your question with my military background in the best way I can, it's simply a "Hey You" situation. Or an "I volunteer" situation. Make sense?

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Military courtesy generally requires that an officer surrender to an equal or superior in rank, both literal military rank, and rank in the broader sense of social rank--officers are gentlemen, by tradition, enlisted men are of a lower social rank. It is a bit of an affront for a general to surrender to a private. Lipton was an officer, so, while not equal in rank, he was the next best thing.

At Yorktown, for example, the British tried to pull a similar stunt. Cornwallis, Washington's equal as commander, did not appear at the ceremony. One of his subordinates, General O'hara, was the senior British officer present. He tried to surrender first to the French General Rochambeau, which would have been a snub to the Americans, and then he tried to offer his sword to General Washington. That would have been a snub as well, suggesting that Washington was not of as high a rank as his opposite number. General Washington directed him to his own subordinate, General Lincoln. There was an additional play on courtesies here as well. The British were refused the traditional "honors of war", to march to the surrender under arms, with flags flying, in part because they refused the Charleston garrison this honor, when the Continentals there surrendered. And General Lincoln had commanded at Charleston.

I'm not sure that Winters set out to humiliate the German general. In a previous scene, we see him offer a generous courtesy to the German colonel who surrendered to him, allowing the colonel to keep his sidearm (in a previous generation, that would have been his sword). I think Winters' action is more a compliment to Lipton, as recognition for his record as a soldier.

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but the German General had an Iron Cross with Gold and Diamonds!!

It's completely disrespectful towards him!!!

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I just watched that episode and my take is that after hearing that a stuffy General refused to surrender to an enlisted man, Winters couldn’t resist the irony of having the General surrender to Lipton, a former NCO.

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Great answer Reeveman!
Also note in the book Winters and others said you could take as you want, do as you want. Almost all of the members of Easy company went around collecting guns, knives, SS uniforms, coins, money, silverware, goldware, the looting was endless. One member said if there was any resistance at all they'd just point their guns in the soldiers/civilians face and usually it wasn't a problem. I'm almost positive many German officers got shot for being brave, it wasn't a big deal to the Americans at all.

In short, they could have shot the German General for refusing to surrender to an enlisted man but he was lucky this particular group of men were kinda tired of killing and let him off the hook.

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All these posts miss the fact that Winter had a great deal of affection & respect for Lipton. That's why he did Lipton the honor of having him accept the general's surrender.

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