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major plot hole?

posted 9 years ago by dreviluk
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Ok, I am surprised no one has thought of this before, but at the end, is it even possible for the T-800 to kill the TX?

Early in the film he announces he has 2 fuel cells, at the point of him cutting his stomach open. He pulls it it and throws it,nothing wrong with that.

But near the end, when the TX nearly gets through the blast door, his method of killing her is to remove the fuel cell from his stomach and shove it in her mouth. Would he of, as soon as he removed it from his stomach, shut down? No way would he have power in him to carry on moving and put it in her mouth and hold her mouth shut.

You tell 'im Im coming!

[–] KrustytheDude 9 years ago

Maybe he still has residual power left even when his fuel cell is removed.

Or maybe he can regulate the amount of power he receives from his fuel cell and gave himself extra power so he would still operate when it was removed.

[–] dreviluk 9 years ago

He didn't do that in T2, in T2 when the T-1000 stabbed him with metal poll he stopped, instantly. It took a few minutes to find alternative power

You tell 'im Im coming!

[–] KrustytheDude 9 years ago

Well we don't know what was damaged when he was stabbed in T2. It could have been some other part and not necessarily the fuel cell. Which kinda makes sense because if the fuel cell was damaged then Arnie would go boom. But T3 is not considered canon for a lot of people so that whole thing with the fuel cell wouldn't even apply in T2.

[–] gabby_bm 9 years ago

Plus we don;t even know if the T-800 HAS a fuel cell. T3 had a T-850 which was more advanced than the T-800.

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[–] dreviluk 9 years ago

Still only said he had two fuel cells though, the only slight way it could of been possible is if he had instant access to back up power.

You tell 'im Im coming!

[–] gabby_bm 9 years ago

I figure the fuel cells recharge his batteries. The fuel cells are probably like those power cells for you cell phone when your phone battery dies
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[–] dreviluk 9 years ago

I figure the fuel cells recharge his batteries

When he took the second fuel cell out, he had no other batteries. He had nothing to be recharged

The fuel cells are probably like those power cells for you cell phone when your phone battery dies

In theory, if I have two batteries for my phone, I take one out
the second battery keeps the phone working. The split second I remove the battery from the phone, the phone shuts off. Like Arnie should have, allowing her to escape and get too John and Kate
You tell 'im Im coming!

[–] ActionJunkie007 9 years ago

In theory, if I have two batteries for my phone, I take one out
the second battery keeps the phone working. The split second I remove the battery from the phone, the phone shuts off.

I believe the T-850 was powered by an internal battery which was fed by a small Generator, and the Generator is the one FUELED by the removable cells. Now removing the fuel source stops the generator from creating more power to juice the battery, but he would not simply shut down, he would be able to run perfectly off the battery power he had left.

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[–] gabby_bm 9 years ago

Thank AJ. That was the idea I was trying to convey. That the fuel cells charge its battery but they are not essential to its function.

Like coffee.

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[–] ActionJunkie007 9 years ago

I thought so, Gabby!! Great minds.... ;)

Like coffee.

YES!!!!!!!! :)

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[–] Arvin-G-Borkar 8 years ago

Yeah I know, it is pretty stupid that there are very little if any explanations of how Terminators go about doing this; however, just think that he is the protagonist of the movie. If he were to just die because we had to be realistic about everything, then John Connor would die and that is not what we want. Of course to make up for it, we have to say that he was able to get energy from somewhere heat sinks, another small power source etc.

For some reason, when seeing these movies; I had always thought that these Terminators were made with quality, in mind. Skynet knew that each Terminator had to be equipped with as much energy as possible, not to go down easily. I mean alternative power sources in case the primary anything was damaged. It goes to show that, even if we may not know truly how Terminators survive after batteries are damaged, they are very resilient in powering off unless they are totally dismembered or clearly shot to oblivion.

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

[–] Kruleworld 9 years ago

by dreviluk
He didn't do that in T2, in T2 when the T-1000 stabbed him with metal poll he stopped, instantly. It took a few minutes to find alternative power

which itself proves the point that it had enough power to find alternate route for primary power. if it didn't, it would have switched off instantly (like my computer does).

by The_Proprietor
The T-800 was able to use heat sinks to revive itself, however; and absorbed enough thermal power to remove the rod, grab its weapon, and crawl onto an upward conveyor belt. It was later able to get back to its feet and walk with assistance from John Connor.

that's a very lame explanation. thermal power equipment is quite bulky, and not very useful as a backup supply (unlike say capacitors). It reminds me of the water powered robot in futurama (OH GOD! I'LL NEVER MAKE IT THIS TIME!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX4PJDA4MQg

"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"

[–] The_Proprietor 9 years ago

There's your answer:

The T-800 was able to use heat sinks to revive itself, however; and absorbed enough thermal power to remove the rod, grab its weapon, and crawl onto an upward conveyor belt. It was later able to get back to its feet and walk with assistance from John Connor.

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Series_800

If impersonating a Police Officer is an offence, shouldn't actors be imprisoned?

[–] dreviluk 9 years ago

He didn't have heat sinks to revive himself though did he? I mean, as I say, as soon as he takes out the fuel cell he should shut off, therefore not able to move to put the cell in her mouth.

You tell 'im Im coming!

[–] cybopath 9 years ago

If also makes you wonder why the Terminators didn't explode at the endings of T1 and T2.

[–] gabby_bm 9 years ago

This was a T-850. it's possible only the T-850 had the fuel cells and the T-800's didn't.

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[–] cybopath 9 years ago

I never bought this T-850 nonsense TBH. They don't mention it in the film and other than explaining that plot hole what difference did it really make?

[–] mrwnmero 9 years ago

actually the whole existence of T3 is a plot hole, it shouldn't have been made.

Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying!

[–] gabby_bm 9 years ago

actually the whole existence of T3 is a plot hole, it shouldn't have been made.

Just carrying on the tradition of T2 which also should never have been made (except as a cash-grab, of course).

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[–] Vansnitchzel 8 years ago

You're going too far with these theories. Ever heard about capacitor?

It's a simple electornic component, invented over hundred years ago, that condenses electricity. They're the reason why it takes a while for some devices to lose power after pulling the plug.

It's quite logical that a device like terminator would have large, powerful capacitors that would still have power after batteries are out. If not for technical reasons, then just to allow terminator to replace the dead battery before completely falling.

There's already plans for city buses that would run on powerful capacitors, so that technology is pretty down to earth compared to everything else in the francise.

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[–] model101 8 years ago

Just carrying on the tradition of T2 which also should never have been made (except as a cash-grab, of course).

That is true. But at least T2 still works with T1 with minor contradictions.

T3 is just flat out broken.

[–] Truthtalker (1876) 3 years ago

residual power

[–] millsey72 (9627) 2 years ago

Agreed, its a plot hole