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What the heck is this movie about?


Whenever I watch a movie I don't fully understand, I come straight to these boards and read a variety of interpretations. After I read the reviews and debates on this board I decided most of the comments on "The Virgin Suicides" are garbage.

So what was this film about?

Many of the interpretations on this board discuss the strict parents. I am nearly positive the intention of this movie was not to make a comment on parenting. If that is the case, this movie is crap. Though the parents dictated the girl's lives, and were overprotective, there was no normal cause for suicidal thoughts. The moron gossipy neighbors were wrong! They were being satirized. It's the narrator that correctly asserts that the suicides were a complete mystery.

I was captivated enough by the film, but upon seeing the ending I completely turned on the movie. Because in the end, I felt that it had told us nothing. These girls seemed to send a shock wave of bad things. But it was giving these characters power they didn't deserve. We are TOLD all these things, but what was honestly so special about these girls? Aside from the Cecile and Lux, the other three are interchangeable, almost traitless. From what the movie shows us, they were normal in every way, coming of age. And the power and mystery surrounding their suicides, (suggesting that it was anything other than a bad decision) is offensive and requires justification in my eyes.

I really didn't like how the movie tells you in the beginning, you won't understand this if you haven't been a teenage girl. Make no mistake, the movie, tells us, the audience, that. From the mouth of a 13 year old bitch who magically has all the knowledge and insight of an adult writer. The early Ribisi narration tells us that the girls held all the cards. They were light years ahead of the boys, and they knew everything about life love, and the narrator and his friends. This was explained by a narrator, but never shown in the film. Not really. What we are told and what we are shown do not match up.

Finally, The ending monologue confirms what the audience has been gypped of: A resolution to the titular acts. It wasn't a message about why they killed themselves. It was left a mystery! Though many of the film viewers feel they know why it happened, the very character who's eyes we see the story through, and who obsessively collected the evidence, has no idea.

We are left to imagine. And people make conclusions according to their own biases and perceptions. I feel like this movie has the potential to connect with people, especially because of the passion in the coming of age elements, but with the truths, come many subtle untruths (IMO). The characters are so subtle and realistic that the writers voice in all of them is barely noticeable.

This is just my initial interpretation. If I watch it again some time this might change radically. Also if I read some interpretations that sound halfway sensical that would help me figure it out. Because I do have questions I have no idea how to answer.

1. Why cut to a future Trip Fontaine? That made no sense to me. Didn't help the story at all. All I could think was. You can't cast a different actor to play a character who looks nineteen. It never works. It corroborated the haunting effect the girls had, but why? Why, why, why?

2. Why invite the guys in the suicide house at the end? Why mess with them like that? I honestly have no ideas. If I could talk to Sofia Coppola I'd ask her about that first.

Maybe the key to everything is just something I overlooked. All I know is open ended movies often lead to everyone making their own stupid conclusions. Go to a Coen Bros. movie board, and the majority are interesting, compelling interpretations. This movie seems to spark a load of unsatisfying retarded debates and observations. The people who connect with it most do the worst job at explaining why.

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The sheer fact that you called her a '13 year old bitch' makes me doubt the fact that you even truly watched the movie. For someone who too was slightly confused initially, I never once thought of Cecilia in that regard.

The whole feel of the movie is, it is a story told in retrospect, with memories and what little information they had.

Having the older Trip Fontaine is as someone mentioned to give further insight into an event he couldn't possibly have explained at the time of the memories because as the movie tells you - he and Lux never spoke again. Therefore, your reasoning about the inability to cast a different actor to play a young character at an older age, is void.

It was probably a small comfort to have an interaction with someone before the end. I don't honestly believe they did it with malicious intent, they could have been uncertain as to whether they really wanted to commit suicide and by the time the boys had come over, it had already been done. *shrug*

It's hard to explain an open ended movie. Most of the time your own interpretation won't make sense to others, because there are so many ways of interpreting it. The way I saw it was, you can't protect your kids from everything. That's what it seemed like their parents (namely their mother) tried to do, and it ended badly. They were very socially awkward, that I could tell, but once they did have the opportunity to spend an extended period of time with the boys, they were fine. Lux acted like a normal teen, in excess, because of her stifling upbringing and home life. That's just one reaction to that kind of upbringing and they each react differently. Until....they can't take anymore and all kill themselves.

It makes you wonder so many different things. The extent of depression. How the most fleeting meetings can affect your life forever. How compelling mystery can be. How crucial that stage of a child's life is (which is funny because towards the end, at the debutante ball, that adult seems to make fun of the whole situation by falling into the pool, mocking their suicide. I found that insensitive.) A true tragedy has a occurred, but all people can do is gossip and speculate, rather than try to help. And so five young lives are lost. And five more lives are forever affected by those lives and the loss.

It's a tough one. The most simple things and decisions, have the strangest reactions and affect more people than you could ever imagine. It's like watching the story of a ripple effect.

...R.I.P Michael Joseph Jackson...
...R.I.P Heathcliff Andrew Ledger...

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i liked this movie. while i tend to agree sophia is more style than substance, i think she was perfect for this movie.

get past 'the suicides werent justified'. imo, suicide is never justified, and i think it would be terrible if the movie tried to say something as trite as "parents: stop overprotecting because it causes suicide", or something.

any good story needs a bang to hook you in. the movie could just as easilly not had the girls kill themselves, but then it wouldnt have the certain mystique it came away with. the movie is really just about life in middle america, yada yada yada, and the suicides were a device used to give the narator a reason to be looking back at this certain time and people.

the suicides also helped the tone. for alot of people, the teens are more "virgin suicides" than "dazed and confused" (for example). even the dance scene, which should have been purely or mostly happy, dripped with regret.

in short, this movie isnt really a mystery movie where we're solving why they committed suicide (which is bizarre, because its explicitly constructed as such). i think once you get past that, this movie opens up alot more.

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I agree with the OP - this movie always leaves me wondering 'what are you trying to say?' I agree with most of the points made in this thread about liberation etc, but also I think maybe us as the reader/viewer are supposed to feel how the boys felt. Because, as several people mentioned, the boys never really talked to the girls, the suicides came as a total shock and they've spent the rest of their lives trying to figure it out. Maybe that's why we are left wondering...?

Are metal detectors made of metal? That's always confused me. - Noel Fielding

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This movie needed to be one of style and not of substance.

If any of you have ever had a crush, watched someone from afar, idolized anybody...well then you would know the perspective of the neighbor boys. They knew nothing of the girls and yet they were infatuated with them. As another poster has mentioned, part of the allure was that the girls were completely untouchable, even Lux who WAS touchable...but not for them. The boys spent their days and nights fantasizing about girls who also spent their lives in dreams. The girls didn't interact with others - all excepting Lux who merely used boys for sex after she had been used. In the movie, you see them constantly with each other, even while at school. They seem completely in their own world and of a different time. Because they are all beautiful, they are approved of by their peers, and yet they seem to hold popularity in little regard.

The girls may all have lived 'with a lot of love' but it's clear that their parents were unbalanced. It's also clear that they clung to each other in an almost unnatural way. The movie is not really about their deaths. The movie is about living in a dream-like state - the mother and father's refusal to deal with the reality of the world and their household, the neighbor's refusal to deal with the reality of a troubled household, the neighborhood boys' fantasies of 5 unknowable girls, and the girls who lived their lives in dreams of faraway paces, locked away from life, like modern-day Rapunzels.

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They're not all beautiful. Approximately two of them are beautiful.

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They're not all beautiful. Approximately two of them are beautiful.

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This is about the mystery of women. To those who know how to read french, here's an interesting study on the subject: http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/m102360/requiem/Virgin_Suicides.pdf
I liked the movie, I read the study, and I re-watched it, and I adore it now.

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Just read the novel

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its directly from a book.

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I agree with the OP.

Their parents were NOT that bad. Strict? Sure. Not even close to making me believe that they provided an environment so stifling that it would lead to suicide. What bothered me the most though is that maybe I COULD believe that the girls had it bad if I ever saw them acting sad, upset, or miserable but they're always totally normal/happy or indifferent at their worst (minus the scene where Lux was crying over having to burn her vinyl-- but hey, I would be too. Ha.) My point is that these girls never seemed troubled and suddenly they kill themselves.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that they had each other to lean on. Yeah, they lost a sister and had overbearing parents but you'd think they'd rally around each other and realize and take advantage of having SOME company, even if you're under house arrest and taken out of school because of your nutty mother.

But I watched this movie last night and I felt like I "got" it more than in previous viewings. A lot of posters are right that it's the boys' view we're getting. But moreso than that, it's about fantasy and nostalgia and retrospect. It's a glimpse of those moments that happen in life that feel unreal and end too soon and leave you wondering if they even happened or if there was a purpose. It's about being infatuated with people you hardly know, who leave your life before you can get near them, and in the end you can't stop rehashing the details or the memories or the artifacts of the time. I can ABSOLUTELY relate to this and for me, it trumps the frustrations this movie otherwise brings up.

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If you want the meta answer - this movie is about Sofia Coppola practicing writing and direction :-) It was her first flick and her dad (Francis, who was producer and running the show) is the one who should have known much better and made her work much harder and longer on the script. She basically got overwhelmed and instead of cutting, concentrating and intensifying whatever was in the book she became diluted and scattered.

To turn this kind of story into intense and believable flick she needed to take a few pages out of De Palma's "Carrie" and portray a psychotic and unstable Catholic mother. It's doable with just a few well placed details and short scenes. If you saw that, most other things would fit in quite well. If Kathleen Turner wasn't able to deliver that, there were plenty of other actresses eager to jump in on a Francis Ford Coppola project.

I'd venture a bet that if Tarantino is still in love with her, Sofia is bound to learn a few good tricks about intensifying a flick. To her (small) credit she did pay her bills with her first flick but didn't make a splash she hoped for.

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No, because that would have been melodramatic. She did the right thing by creating a hauntingly nuanced and subtle script that was more in the vein of realism, rather than portraying an exagerrated concept of teen depression.

He remembers those vanished years...
http://youtu.be/LpkD_ln5IyQ

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I have to say that, to my mind, SC made the movie SHE wanted to make, not what others wanted her to. People are used to having easy stories and solutions fed to them and I really feel SC tries to make a different sort of film, sumptuous to the senses but perhaps baffling to the intellect, only because she is not trying to fulfill some obvious expectation.

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I regard this movie as an around-the-camp-fire story. As if a group of guys had decided to share stories from their high-school past. I don’t know about you, but thinking about my school days I notice that girls always seemed to be ahead of us. They were out of reach for the normal guy, only duchebags interested them. And when we average guys were finally getting mature enough to get into these girls’ minds, the chance was gone, they were gone. Like dead, if we may say so.
As I see it, the suicides are just a mystifying element, like ghosts or urban legends. But they serve as a metaphor for the coming of age, that moment when girls do the jump out of your childhood life and disappear into the adult worl forever. Chances gone. Mind that the first to go is Cecilia, whom is clearly the most mature of the Lisbon girls.
So, trying to answer question #1, the future Trip Fontaine is just to prove distance. Trip was a duche back then, and seemed cool. He is still a duche in the future and the coolness is gone.
As for question #2, the farewell party is just how tortured guys feel about their past.
If you accept the suicides as just an image, there is no big mystery except for girls’ souls.

If you want to take a look at an even more disturbing interpretation of coming of age girls and scare legends, just watch Picnic at Hanging Rock http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073540/ . Same subject, and much more haunting.

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lost of innocence.

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