The Juwes


"The juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing". Can someone tell me what the hell this was suppose to mean? Any thoughts?

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Several books try to lead the reader to believe that this was a deliberate message to turn the attention on the Jewish residents on Whitechapel.

I read in a book about lesser known serial killers that there was a Jewish Butcher I believe who lived in Whitechapel around the time of the murders who had been poisoning various women (NOT James Maybrick, I might add, who was not a doctor, but rather a cotton merchant). He had been killing women around the same time roughly I believe although I don't think it was discovered until years later. There was some question whether he could have committed the ripper murders or not but was never convicted of that. There was a suggestion that someone knew what he'd been doing and had tried to tip the police off with the message.

Another book I read (focusing on Jack) suggested that the message wasn't actually a clue at all in the murder and was written by an angry racist in the Whitechapel district who had a particular hatred of the Jewish. At the time several wealthy Jewish families (the men usually practicing professionals, doctors, butchers, tailors, accountants), had moved into Whitechapel which at the time had been considered a particularly depraved 'low rent' district and had taken up most of the affordable housing and available job opportunities. Although there had been murders and violent crime occurring in the district long before the Jewish people had arrived, the tenants wanted scapegoats to blame and felt it apt to blame them for the murders, hoping this would scare them out of Whitechapel. There was never any proof either way of who had written the message, and the only reason it was even picked up as a "clue" is because the word "Juwes" was spelled correctly suggesting an educated person being involved in leaving it for the Police.


I guess no one will ever be certain of anything, which makes it so fascinating.

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From casebook.org:

Goulston Street Graffito

On September 30, 1888, PC Alfred Long, 254A, found a blood stained apron piece in an archway at Wentworth Model Dwellings, Goulston Street, (c.2:55am) and then a chalked message on the black brick fascia edging of the open doorway which led to the staircase and basement door of #108-119. DC Daniel Halse, City, arrived back at Goulston Street sometime after 3:00am. PC Long returned at c.5:00am. The writing was sponged out at c.5:30am.


Too bad they never took a photograph.

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There is actually another Ripper theory concerning the Juwes. It is a neat tie-in to the Masonic angle.
There is (supposedly) a trio of assassins used by the Masons to met out death to those who betray the brotherhood. The 3 are called Jubala, Jubilo, and Jubalum. They can be found mentioned in other Masonic lore. Together, the 3 are called the Jues (or Juwes). Supposedly they would eviserate their victims in a ritualistic manner, not unlike the Ripper victims. The story goes that the head of Scotland Yard was a Mason, and so had the writing erased to protect their secrets.

This was told to me by a Mason, though he was quick to dismiss the theory. He credits the existance of the 3 and their 'avenging angel' status to the Masons, but said the rest is purely conjecture. Which, as we all agree, is accurate. No one will ever know who Jack the Ripper was, how many he himself killed, and why he did it in the first place (Patricia Cornwall be damned!)

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The terms "Juwes" was invented by a 20th century hack writer named Stephen Knight who wrote one of the most fantasy driven Ripper theories, and was never a part of Masonic lore.

The syntax is so garbled and we don't know if the message was written down correctly...it could either be the work of pro-Jewish or anti-Jewish troublemakers, but there is a chance it could be the work of the real Ripper.

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Touchy, touchy.

I have not read Knight's book, nor do I care to. That said, what I posted about Jubalo & Company DID NOT come from Knight. It came from a Past Master of a Masonic Lodge. He was, at the time of the telling (and is to this day), a loyal and active member in good standing.


So it is up to you whether or not to believe the Ripper aspect, but the 3 most certainly exist in Masonic lore. I can only assume that Boogie Knight is rather sensitive about this subject and would like to paint me a liar. He must be a defender of the Faith.




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Are you twelve? Or do you have mental disorder?

Past Masters of Masonic Lodges are perfectly capable of repeating bits of urban folklore just as well as anyone else.

By the way, if he were a loyal and active member in good standing, why would he be telling Masonic lore to you?

I am not a defender of any faith, just hate it went ignorant people repeat long debunked factoids.

Don't make "assumptions" about any one, it is outside of your mental ability. Just keep on repeating whatever goofy stories people tell you.

Oh and those three Js were the killers of the maker of Soloman's Temple, and they killed him because he would not reveal the secrets of the Temple. Not even close to the Masonic assassin angle, and how would this even remotely make sense in the context of either the graffiti or ripper?

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Looks like I touched a nerve, big fella. It's OK, no one cares if the Masons killed whores. The Masons who killed JFK, on the other hand...

I love to see blowhards like you get all flustered. The fact that you resort to petty insults and taunting proves nothing about your opinion. It only proves that you are a dreary clod who can't stand the idea that anyone thinks differently from yourself.

By the way, pal, you can't have it both ways. Either a Mason repeated a completely fictional 'urban legend' OR a Mason 'shared Masonic lore'. Looks like you painted yourself into a bit of a corner.

Don't worry; no one expected logic or rationality from you. Go back to your secret handshakes and your funny hats. I shall not respond to any further rantings of yours, so be pacified by the notion that you have struck a blow for your brethren.

Good night, honey prince. Thanks for making me laugh, even if it was at you.



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I've wondered how one gets the phrase "the three Juwes" out of the names "Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum" in the first place. You'd think they would more properly be called "the three Jubes." That's one of the reasons why the Masonic Theory has always struck me as more than a little bit contrived.

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Settle fellas! LOL
The Mason who passed on the piece of Masonic lore is heavily flawed in his understanding. The Juwes were the three Fellowcrafts who murdered Master Mason Hiram Abiff. They were never any masonic "angels of death" and have never purported to be so, how your friend got this is beyond me and makes me severely question his bona fides as a former Lodge Master. Also Corsi71linc, you can rest assured that your sparring partner above was not (at least at the time of posting) a Freemason, otherwise he would have known the true story of the Juwes also he would not be questioning the telling of Masonic Lore to a non-mason as he would know there is no secrecy to any part of Masonic Lore and the only secrets we keep are that of our words and tokens that identify Masons of varying degrees.

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Why?

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Why?

Are you really THAT stupid?

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BUT..
There is another "version"\layer of the myth!
You can find it in the masonic novel "Women of Cairo".. old & rare book.
Solomon - according to the tale - was jealous of Hiram-Abi (there is no abiff in the original text of the Hebrew bible BTW) and ordered the 3 to kill him!
So it fits!

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Could you point to the actual piece written by Stephen King. Have run your statement passed a King specialist who has never fracking heard of the writing you are claiming.

Incidentally also ran a bunch of stuff in the movie passed a Ripperologist, yes there is such a thing, who supported the Masonic angle to the Juwes thing. You may have picked that up in the movie if you paid attention to Abberline researching the order. He doesn't subscribe to the Masonic theory but could point out the Juwes thing, which was cool as it was something I didn't know.

I'm actually LOLing over the fact that you are basing your views on a fiction writer, who may or may not have written a piece on Jack, as opposed to a number of Historians who have spent years researching the case. There's a number of reputable books out there, my suggestion would be to approach one that presents a number of conflicting theories yo, rather than falling into the trap of just believing the first thing you read on the net.

I would suggest before insulting another member you actually do some research that doesn't involve google searches and pulp fiction writers.

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Could you point to the actual piece written by Stephen King. Have run your statement passed a King specialist who has never fracking heard of the writing you are claiming.


The writer in question is Stephen Knight, not Stephen King.

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Juwes is not a Masonic term

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From what I understand, from notes sent to the Police attributed to the real killer, the syntax does not match. Also the term Juwes had been removed from English Masonry for nearly a century by then

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The late Stephen Knight was no hack writer but his book was so well written world famous hack, patricia Cornwell, lifted it, rewrote it and passed it off as all her own work. Knight's book is a good read but not the definitive work on 'Jack' and it could even be described as a good work of fiction, to be enjoyed and not taken too seriously.

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There is (supposedly) a trio of assassins used by the Masons to met out death to those who betray the brotherhood. The 3 are called Jubala, Jubilo, and Jubalum. They can be found mentioned in other Masonic lore. Together, the 3 are called the Jues (or Juwes). Supposedly they would eviserate their victims in a ritualistic manner
There are no such "assassins" in "Masonic lore." The "ruffians" Jubala, Jublilo, and Jubalum play a very different role in Masonic ritual, which I can assure you has nothing to do with protecting the Fraternity by assassinating those who give away its secrets.

What you're reciting is actually taken from the Christopher Plummer "Sherlock Holmes" movie, which is a work of fiction just like this one. Holmes at least got the details about the ruffians more accurately than you did, but it's still just fiction...and the ruffians weren't even a part of the ritual (as practiced in England) at the time of the Ripper murders. So I'm afraid your theory just doesn't add up.

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Despite corsi 71 inc grammatical errors...........a great little tale.

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I rewatched this after having seen when it first came out. I liked the masonic tie in in the movie and made more sense to me now, than it did then, since I've studied and taken note of this kind of stuff in recent years. There is also symbolism in "Mary" the redhead (Magdalene), which you see over and over in Hollywood movies...and she just happened to be a prostitute in this one.

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This is what is known in the field of Ripper studies as the "Goulston Street Graffito" or Graffiti. It was a message which was chalked in a doorway of a building along the path that the Ripper used to flee after one of the murders. The Ripper threw a piece of bloody fabric into the doorway (I think the theory is that he used it to clean his weapon). It's not known if he also wrote the graffiti or if it was already there and he just coincidentally threw his rag there. The police had the graffiti washed away before it could be photographed and so it's not entirely sure that the transcription which has come down to us is entirely accurate. It's also not clear if "Juwes" is supposed to refer to Jews, of whom many lived in the neighborhood. Also, because of the double negative in it, it's not clear whether the author intended to blame or exculpate the "Juwes".

In Alan Moore's novel he takes the line advanced by Stephen Knight that the term "Juwes" refers to what Knight claims that the title "Three Juwes" is used to Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum, figures he identifies as the "Three Ruffians" of Masonic lore who were supposed to have murdered Hiram Abiff, the master mason from whom Freemasonry traces its heritage. So according to Knight and Moore, the Goulston Street Graffito is indicating Masonic involvement in the murders

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Watch the Sherlock Holmes movie "Murder By Decree" for another slant on Jack the Ripper which includes an explanation of the Juwes reference which is the Masonic connection discussed here. Not a new idea. These are theatrical movies and not hard-fact documentaries.

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Abberline did not think it was a reference to the Jews because it was written in an "educated hand". In other words, what appears to be an intelligent person would not misspell Jews, so the word was meant to mean something else.

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Wrong.Possibly to throw the police off of the proverbial trail.

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The book claims that "Juwes" does not refer to Jews but rather to "The Three Juwes", three guys named Jubelo, Jubela, and Jubelum, who Stephen Knight identifies as the "Three Ruffians" of Masonic legacy. The Rufffians, or Three Ruffians, are a real part of Masonic lore and were supposed to be the journeyman craftsmen who betrayed Masonic founder Hiram Abiff and killed him in order to obtain his secret code word. However, it seems that the Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum names as well as the title "The Three Juwes" is invented by Stephen Knight.

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The Ruffians do go by those names in most of American Masonry, though the connection is indeed invented.

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We'll probably never know exactly what it meant. The idiot that was first on the crime scene immediately washed it off the wall, not thinking that it might have been valuable evidence.

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It does show Abberline in the library reading a book about the Freemasons and he finds those 3 names and connects it with 'juwes'. The guy that ordered the wall to be washed much to the behest of Abberline was a freemason himself, as the movie showed. Also Abberline rips the guys mason ring off and tosses it on the ground, spitting on it after mention of his promotion. Being told he will be watched closely from now on, because he knows.

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Yes, that is the conclusion toward which the film wishes us to be drawn within its own presented fictional, speculative context.

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Right motive, wrong action.

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Maybe it was referring that the Freemason would not be blamed because it was a reference to the tale that the detective was reading.

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Wouldn't it be hilarious with all this conjecture if it was simply the person couldn't spell?

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