I could be wrong but I highly doubt that you´ve experienced and lived the really ugly side of life. Then atleast you wouldn´t have a textbook politically correct approach to this matter.
If Nokes was sexually abused as a child is pretty irrelevant. If every weirdo,pervert or creep was attracted to children,had urges but instead of acting on thm,just jerked off to their fantasies and never watched childpornografy,not ONE act affecting or hurting another human...really,who would have the energy to give a shi-?
It´s the very concious,aware decision in a sober state especially to molest a child that confirms and reveals that this person is pure evil and no circumstances have any weight to torture children by buring them with cigarettes,beating them,raping them over and over,all the while doing it with sadistic glee,really getting Off on a childs torment and pain.
Nokes even remembered John and Tommy,which is disturbing in either scenario;he hadn´t moletd that many boys and still he carried out these deranged acts hile casually talking about overtime and taxes...Or he had wrecked so many lives but got off on knowing their names,knowing whos lives he had destroyed,all of them placed in the pychotic Hall of shame,trophies in his head,maybe to him a destroyed life by his hand was truly worthy of remembrance.
To sympathize with them as children but not as adults is a contradiction or a statement that shows your true nature. Time is just a concept or word we created to sum up our life expectancy,so we don´t miss doctors appointments or get to the store in time. This trauma happened when they were 12-13 and from that point on time likely stood still and just existing became a deep pain keeping them from ever living a life that resembled something normal or decent.
If a guy loses his legs,his wife and child due to a drunk driver convicted of DUI on several occasions,do you sympathize with him in that moment? And what if he in his grief and rage payed to have the driver killed two days later...how about two months,a year and a half? To him,time stands still,he will always be locked in that moment but where does your empathy,not sympathy begin and end?
Dying can be pretty easy,so can taking a life,a trigger is pulled and the curtain come down before you even hear the shot. Where´s the horror in that? The pedohile,Nokes kind more so,his actions are so diabolical,inhumane and irreversible,they trancend the concept of potential justice or the punishment fitting the crime.
To achieve sexual satisfaction and having an orgasm not despite but BECAUSE a young boy or girl,a child who was gonna discover his own sexuality and attraction to the opposite sex pretty soon is crying and screaming from pain and wishing he was dead. Every orifice violated by a grown man who is payed to protect kids he brutalizes and repeats this act over and over...are you fakkin´kiddin´Me??
Destroying a childs ability to live or chance at becoming remotely happy..no matter what,the person will never be as at peace or stabile as it could´ve been...and don´t give me that "It happened to him or me or etc and that didn´t lead to murder and crime",that´s child molestor secret sympathize group therapy talk.
None of us know what will break us and which road will lead to self destruction or suicide. To seriouly be talking about it being a choice,going down a destructive life path? At about 13? Sure. About as much choice as being orally and anally raped and tortured for no reason at all except existing..
These two dudes weren´t psychopats by nature,that´s pretty obvious. Young John was the one most devastated over the accident,not thinking about likely consequenses but the injured mans wellbeing. The kid wanted to be a priest. He was a very talented artist about to get into artschool thanks to father Bobby. The drawings we see during the trial symbolize the potential not wasted but stolen. Getting the shi- beaten outta him by his stepdad did Not turn him into a dangerous criminal. He was strong,not weak.
So John and Tommy acted out,their pain manifested itself through violent acts but I still feel like they were more comfortable in their own skin then a non-violent dude like Michael...Becoming what they became is a sane, normal response to a psychotic, cruel chain of events.
They Never asked for your sympathy by the way or anyone elses. Very ironic how you judge them so harsh based on information you are handed by the narrator,the protagonist. Although though those words are meant to clue you in on how dangerous and ruthless they are,just stating obvious facts...and you latch on to it like a leech,jump on it like a bitch in heat,you found an angle that helps you disguise or support your obvious but not stated agenda and opinion.
People die everyday,murdered everyday,a killing is mentioned,one regarding a secondary protagonist or tritagonist which is meant to confirm the obvious result of actions and consequenses,Not give the viewer a reason to despice and marginalize the character we´ve been following for an hour,seeing the hell he´s been through. John and Tommy might be judged by God IF he exists but as far as the audience,Nokes or the world goes,they have NOTHING to apologize for,they owe the world nothing...their crys for help didn´t do much good nordid praying to God. Nokes became their God or devil,their Frankenstein...he created two monsters and Karma gave them a chance to thank their creator. So they did.
Moral dilemma if they weren´t thugs or hardened criminals...HOW? That´s just nonsensical and unsettling,man. First of,someone who went through what they went through and never comitted a crime in their life would be able to carry out this act? And not even including the part where this person would have a weapon on his person at this particular time.
John was a murderer. He and Tommy co-founded the West Side boys,a street level-based crime syndicate....and when he saw Nokes he turned into a scared little boy again,all pale,of course he was a shell of his former self cause being a vicious gangster was easier to be then a broken victim...you´re describing a person who wouldn´t exist in the real world. If he did,he would be close to a superhuman,never transforming his despair and emptiness into something violent or dark,just a regular guy who stumbles upon his tormentor in a restaurant...
Exactly,who except a molestor of children or arrogant,condescending victim could even concider the notion of a man becoming a "Regular guy" after 18 months of torture and rape? Since that scenario is the one that would give YOU a moral dilemma you Again very obviously reveal where your sympathies lie. Since a person sexually abused and violated as a child has to be a citizen without a criminal record and a history of violence for it to be a dilemma for you....just creepy. '
THIS is supposed to be the dilemma,coldhearted criminal murderers execute the man who changed the course of their lives for the worse. The fact that this is even a topic is very bothering and sickening.
Here´s you....RAPISTS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE HARMED OR KILLED CAUSE TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. Well,it's not exactly nuclear physics,it is a somewhat easy and simple choice,you pick a side...has a mans right to exist expired when he delibaretely has projected his sickness and sexual deviance onto human beings who does not even know what sex or sexual deviance and will be destroyed by it in some form,for them,the degenerate,disturbed sex likely becomes the norm,the expected view on sexuality. Yes or no?
You KNOW what Nokes did. I´m not talking about innuendos and speculations,you as a viewer Know!! Right? And if you saw him alone in a restaurant eating,you wouldn´t If you had a knife or any weapon on your person follow him and atleast break his legs and/OR knock out all his teeth? No. You wouldn´t. To me,you´re almost as accountable as him since you see the sin,you see the sinner like a fisherman spots another fisherman from afar....and would do nothing to save innocent,newly started lives.
Since that's what they did;The system had failed not only them but so many children,they held court in the streets. Ask yourself and not even in reflective hindsight....HOW MANY LIFES DID THEY SAVE BY KILLING NOKES?? Forget their motive,even be the ultraliberal pedophile supporter and marginalize like you do,forget all his other victims. View their deed through a humane,pragmatic lens. How many victims in those years? 14?43? Of which only a handful took their own..."LIVES"??
Now,if you want them to be punished for their crimes,a murder of an ordinary citizen and about eight murders of no-good lowlifes like them and you would want those sentences handed out AFTER they clipped Nokes,then I might join in,agree we should all be held accountable for our actions. There you could pull your moral dilemma card.
We can't be animals,of course we gotta do some time...but if they were convicted BEFORE murdering Nokes,it would just be two lives completely wasted. Instead,they took the opportunity randomness or fate had given them to create meaning and purpose to their hollow existence and preordained doom. He was not only 15 years later still a free man but the creep was employed,had an income.
Ha...a working man without any priors is castrated,executed,shot seven times by coldhearted massmurderers....it really gets your got going,doesn't it? Yeah,it's obvious. Since this scenario is textbook Moral court vs the legal one....and you're not exactly invested in the former. I could respect that ya tand by your moral convictions...IF thěy weren't so repulsive and hipocritical.
By stating you feel father Bobby shouldn't have lied for them(Exactly HOW VILE is a man when a law-abiding priest scared of reprisals from a God"he knows"exists is less haunting and disturbing then approving the depraved actions of a man so diabolical,his transgressions trancend evil as a concept in a humane humans world.
By using hypotheticals to create a scenario where Nokes MIGHT HAVE been molested as a child and thus creating a possible but for decent people irrelevant and nonsensical corrolation between crime and criminals in general and raping and psychologically maiming kids who can't even fight back....which is the not random or spontaneous but rather calculated and predatory reason for Nokes actions.....yeah,I'm calling you out. Plus I call you a potential enabler and dsguised supporter of pedophila. I don't really give a shi! about who you are on the inside. These are words,not actions....and since the internet is a safe haven for all kinds of degenerates,I feel like....your words have revealed your core and rationalizing.
I know this might seem harsh but....you literally make me sick and I feel the world would be a safer place for kids if your metality didn't exist sooooo.....yeah. Yes,I wish you had expired for everyones sake. Right or wrong,your right will never be mine or anyones with empathetic principles.
EVERYONE!!! If these two gladly can accept their potential punishment,they who suffered first hand,why can't you? And HOW ...can you expect your high-horse,"All life has value" judgment removed from the realities of life to have any effect,significcance or sway except in the deranged world of pedophilia?? Which is as morally criminal as anything comes. You are welcome for your self-inflicted ironic shame. So....I broke a toe two days ago,ya want a long-ass stor about that too??
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