Why isn't this movie in the IMDB top 250 movies?? - Underground (1997) Discussion

[–] copac 21 years ago

OK,

I found it out. This is from the IMDB help desk:

"Please note that, as indicated at the top of the page, only votes from
regular IMDb voters are considered when creating the top 250 out of the
full voting database. This explains any difference between the vote
averages reported in the top 250 and those on the individual movie pages.
This also explains why movies you might think from their averages ought
to appear on the list yet do not actually appear there.

To maintain the effectiveness of the top 250 list, we deliberately do not
disclose the criteria used for a person to be counted as a regular voter.

Regards,
The IMDb Help Desk <[email protected]>"

So from what I get...it's either not enough regular voters among the 3000+ or the ones that are regulars voters here didn't like the movie. I don't necessarily agree...cause if I'm not a regular voter my vote doesn't count - and then I ask...'WhyTF did I vote anyways?'. Bottom line: this movie still remains somewhat of a hidden pearl...that can't be too bad either.

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[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

So does this mean that IMDb is cowardly shadow banning people like facebook and Twitter? LOL Such pussies. LOL

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[–] valeria_petit 21 years ago

Another reason would be that the IMDB is mainly focused on american films... the only foreign films that actually have a chance of making it on the top 250 are the ones that had a huge release in north america ex: Amelie, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, etc... only film geeks like us have seen other great foreign movies like kustarica's Underground

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[–] maninasry 19 years ago

can you tell me some the greatest actors you have ever seen and what movies they where in and why you like their performances. i would greatly appreciate it.

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[–] Sin-fest 19 years ago

Another reason would be that the IMDB is mainly focused on american films... the only foreign films that actually have a chance of making it on the top 250 are the ones that had a huge release in north america ex: Amelie, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, etc... only film geeks like us have seen other great foreign movies like kustarica's Underground.

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[–] lhommeinsipide 18 years ago

I hope people soon realise that the majority of the world's greatest films are NOT American.

My top 20 here: http://www.ymdb.com/theeye23/l30156_ukuk.html

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[–] Niffiwan 18 years ago

There's little chance of THAT happening anytime soon... speaking from some experience. :P

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[–] Thom-13 10 years ago

Don't know how long it has been there because I only look every month or two, but it is currently #241.

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[–] Rgerpu 21 years ago

"Please note that, as indicated at the top of the page, only votes from
regular IMDb voters are considered when creating the top 250 out of the
full voting database. This explains any difference between the vote
averages reported in the top 250 and those on the individual movie pages.
This also explains why movies you might think from their averages ought
to appear on the list yet do not actually appear there.

To maintain the effectiveness of the top 250 list, we deliberately do not
disclose the criteria used for a person to be counted as a regular voter."

Let me "translate" this one for you: You're counted as "regular voter" if the structure of your votes (i.e. the movies that you vote for) shows your genuine interes in movies as such, and not only in artificial blowinng-up of "average" of pro-Serbian-Nazi movies like "Underground".

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[–] the_antimatter 20 years ago

let's just not lose our sanity here. the legitimacy of nato strike against serbs may be doubted. the american penetration to balkans may be equally opposed. but this in no way gives any excuse to serbian attacks against so-called "seperatist" bosnians.

but then again, assaulting people who are shopping in the market place with RPGs is something, and having romantic concerns about your "homeland" is something else. to be honest, i had no sympathy to those serbian fascists, violently fighting to keep "their" country together. but i didn't feel offended when i saw the movie (and i saw it when the war was on its peak). although i sympathize almost all seperatist movements (one of which took place in my land, turkey), i didn't feel propagandized. i just saw a deep sadness, some kind of a nostalgia; turning into a very creative, fantastic movie.

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[–] pekmez 20 years ago

"serbian attacks against so-called "seperatist" bosnians."

i wouldnt bother to change every mind wrong in facts and logic, couse its allready been said, and its starting to be clische, and im tired

so i will just said > many of you mentioned "bosnians" in the wrong way, maybe you wanted that way, anyway bosnians are citizens of Bosnia, and there are serbs, croats, muslims... so how can serbs attack bosnians - attack themselves

well that the point from me

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[–] Tito32 19 years ago

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

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[–] dedebona 19 years ago

come on man, don´t display the Serbs as the good defender of good old yugoslavia. stop *beep* i don´t now where you are from but i was in touch with balkan wars all the time and i´m informed about what was going on. and i am not an american!

the truth is that the serbs wanted to create a greater serbia in the same shape as former yugoslavia was. to do so they had to overrun and defeat the other yugoslavian countries and nations. first croatia and then bosnia. it is no secret that all serbs stood unified in beginning of the 90s and all had the same vision. i say all because really all, also the intellectual serbs as well as common people were enthusiastic talking about "velika srbija" as they supported milosevic and his crime regime. i can tell you about reactions of some serbs i used to know when Dubrovnik or Sarajevo were bombed. they applauded and were happy for their great warriors. chetnik75 admit that you did it as well. or are you too much of a coward and you deny it.

looking at your name "chetnik75" you are no different than all other serbs and it only confirms my statement above. you pray that you are innocent and u use a nick equal to one of the most barbaric troops on this piece of earth at that time. i should have the nick "ustascha 77" instead of the one i have if i had a brain like u.

what you stated in your "who is evil really" paragraph says all about the serbian soul and way of thinking. it is a way of feeling inferior and always being afraid of enemies who want to attack and defeat you. this phenomenon is visible in every serbian soul. in fact you are an misinformed and blinded nation which creates its own truths and facts despite the real truth.

my opinion is that this evil time of wars should be left behind and that we have to work on new relationships between each other. but reading such statements as yours really throws me back to where we have been. and maybe it is an illusion that the former yugoslavian nations can live together again after the wars.

peace

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[–] niksickimafijas 20 years ago

Lack, this one was REALLY good :-)

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[–] Sin-fest 19 years ago

You're counted as "regular voter" if the structure of your votes (i.e. the movies that you vote for) shows your genuine interes in movies as such, and not only in artificial blowinng-up of "average" of pro-Serbian-Nazi movies like "Underground".

Ah, an anal conservative. There's always one in every forum...

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[–] lhommeinsipide 18 years ago

You were making sense up until the last paragraph.

I'm not sure you watched the film properly if your overall impression is that they glorified Serbian Nazism. I'm guessing you just hate films with Nazis in them...which is hardly a conservative way of voting.

My top 20 here: http://www.ymdb.com/theeye23/l30156_ukuk.html

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[–] gryspnik 17 years ago

It is ridiculous to call this movie pro-serbian/nazi...It's one of the most powerful antiwar movies ever made. And I mean anti ALL-war . If you really know the Balkans and the politics of the area well then you'll discover unbelievable symbolisms in the movie (for example when the guy sits at the cross road looking for his monkey, there is one way that says Berlin, the other says Athens. This would make no sense to most people but if you actually knew that when the governments of Croatia and Slovenia decided to split from Yugoslavia the only country that recognised them right away without even consulting Yugoslavia or the EE or the UN, was Germany and if you had known what the only country that actually helped the Serbs not die and tried to keep Yugoslavia together, was Greece, then you'd understand).

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[–] loocirun 20 years ago

Too bad that most of the people on the IMDB and that are regular voters are americans who go and watch things like spiderman.... I don't say there are some that don't have a good taste... the godfather is on the top 250 along with some great movies. I think UNDERGROUND is a masterwork, I adore it! It's on my top 5 of favourite movies.

I saw this movie during my last class of journalism in a canadian high school and I felt in love with it.. about 95% of my classmates didn't like it or got completely bored, even if the film was translated in french so they didn't have to read subtitles (so bad, it's a relief i have it on dvd and can see it in its original language over and over) or they were making out instead. So sad... well, UNDERGROUND is in my top 250 and in all of us movie freaks hearts.

-love independent films, support foreign movies- viva el cine mexicano, apoyalo

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[–] highlord_leader_apocalypse 19 years ago

This movie need about 25000 votes and it's still not sure if it will get on imdb top 250.

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[–] maeble 19 years ago

It´s a sad, a really sad thingh! Knowing this, i am willing to change moviepage. Is there any better moviedatabase around?

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[–] highlord_leader_apocalypse 19 years ago

No, this is by far the most popular page.

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[–] ElMaruecan82 19 years ago

Yeah i also think that the Top 250 loses its credibility when you realise that such masterpieces like Underground are missing...
Come on ! don't tell me that Lord of the Rings or Spider-man is better than Underground or better than Scarface, midnight Express etc ?!

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[–] anillodebenceno 19 years ago

Yeah, all the system they have worked out to avoid movies getting in the top 250 with not enough voters is pointless.
To consider that LOTR is the second best movie of all time is almost blasphemy. Yeah, it had some good sfx, but a movie can be great without them (Underground is a perfect example). However, since 50.000+ Tolkien fans voted 10 without even thinking about it, it got to spot #2.

Anyway, it seems that good movies from the other side of the Greenwich Meridian are a hard thing to swallow for most people living in the USA, or there is something terribly wrong if Finding Nemo has a higher rating than Russian Ark.

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[–] branjo-2 19 years ago

post by anillodebenceno: ...However, since 50.000+ Tolkien fans voted 10 without even thinking about it, it got to spot #2...

In my opinion, there is not (real) Tolkien fan with more than 6 for LOTR

The tens are the result of voting of people which even do not know there was a book(s) prior to the movie... :(((

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[–] anillodebenceno 19 years ago

Perhaps the most hardcore Tolkien fans did not, you are right on that. I should have said LOTR fans.

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[–] branjo-2 19 years ago

anillodebenceno on Thu Jan 13 2005 Perhaps the most hardcore Tolkien fans did not, you are right on that. I should have said LOTR fans.

:)))

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[–] Towelie_Towel (1719) 4 years ago

16 years ago and people were already crying about "wah people don't see the movies I like because they only see popular movies".

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[–] rirm11 19 years ago

You are absolutely right. This film deserves break into the top 250 movies list. Can't believe films like 'This Is Spinal Tap' are on it instead of a couple of Emir Kursturica's.

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[–] ulyssestone 19 years ago

7.9/10 (5,223 votes)

There're less than 1250 regular voters out of 5000+ film-lovers who vote for this gem???

The same thing happens to Ozu's Tokyo Story

8.0/10 (1,981 votes)

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[–] branjo-2 19 years ago

but, who are "regular voters "?

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[–] ulyssestone 19 years ago

Oh My GOD! Look at this:

Dogville
7.9/10 (14,716 votes) Not In Top250

I hope IMDb could change the rule, or at least explain it more clearly.

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[–] Mantas84 19 years ago

Ok for *beep* sake people. Number 1 chetnik that name sucks and is deeply racist and you know it. Number 2 stop with all this hypothesis on the war all of you Serbs, Bosnians, Croatins all of you need to get a straight *beep* idea to your heads. I have Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian blood and I have no *beep* as to why the war happened, and please Americans should just stay the *beep* out of this because the truth is you don't know jack *beep* about the war. The war started because a country like Yugoslavia was unstable it had a good leader but after he died and it was time to pick a new one all of it fell apart. Why becasue all these nations are selfish egoistical primitive lands. The Serbs did kill people but look at the muslims or the Balije they did the same thing they went around killing people in villages from both Croatia and Serbia. Same thing with the Croatians or so called Ustase they destroyed there share of defensless villages too. But after Croatia kinda seceede from the war Bosnia had no power to stop Serbia anymre and got destroyed a lot more then both Croatia and Serbia. But that was largely in part of the fact that Bosnia was the most diverse and Muslims, Serbs, and Croatians fought for it. Then the media came and proclaimed Bosnia as the muslim land, and since Croatia stopped bombing a little before the Serbs did all the blame went to the Serbs. In fact the three armies should share equal blame and not be singled out. And onto the Milosevic concept if he's Hitler and is arrested for crimes Tudjman should have been too, they were all while and just drove there countries to ruin. And all of you need to calm the *beep* down and try to accept that its all of yours fault just 20 years ago we were all brothers and there were minimal differences beetwen us and it is just sad to see all that go to *beep* waste like this. Please people all we did with the war was destroy our beloved countries both physicaly and in the mind of foreigners. And its sad to see all this hate on a *beep* message board.

MOLIM WAS DA PRESTANETE SE PONASATI KAO ZIVOTINJE I BAR POGLEDAJTE DA ONI KOJE MRZITE SU ISTI KA VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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[–] megatosspot 19 years ago

When you put it like that, it all looks a bit childish really. Nationalist and religious fanatics have a lot to answer for. They don't of course, because they know that they alone hold the truth

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[–] kosovo1389 18 years ago

Cetnik is not a racist term, but rather a nationalist/chauvinist term. There was no racism in firmer Yugoslavia, just like there was no racism in Rwanda. Nothing but pathetic ethnic nationalism. Murder is wrong. Murder in the name of race is wrong. However, the saddest thing to me is when someone picks up a gun and asks for ID to see if that person should live based on ethnicity and/or religion.

Oh well, we're human. I suppose we'll always find new and compelling reasons to slaughter each other.

- It is the exception that confirms the rule -

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[–] luk-porei 18 years ago

As for me I'm very happy it's not there, it means that "Underground" is not POPular movie. Actually I don't think that it IS a movie: it's a Theater, it's ART.
God, forgive me, I'm sooo "smart", and my english is sooo bad, and I love this film sooooooo much,...

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[–] GressyGuy 18 years ago

Yeah,it is a piece of art..best and funniest movie ever made.I liked when Blacky was tortured by the police and one of the cops tested the equipment on him self lol but Franz was funny as hell in theater

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[–] cuculiza_od 18 years ago

who cares if it's not in the top250. I mean, THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION is #2 in the list for god sake.

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[–] Mantas84 17 years ago

The ending is perhaps the saddest I've ever seen, with the "Bila je jednom jedna zemlja" sentence which is like the filmaker himself saying goodbye to all his memories and all the memories of old Jugoslavia. By the way people satop making Serbia out to be this great nation in the 90's they were anything but and I'm part Serbian, but then again they werent the only ones Croatia was just as horrid during the war and i'm part Croatian too so my view is not clouded.

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[–] NorthernLights24 8 years ago

It now has 41,611 votes and is still not in top 250.

"I know I believe in nothing. But it is my nothing."

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[–] regnarghost 17 years ago

beacuse the 250 is *beep*

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[–] lonelyoblivious 11 years ago

Because movies like Goodwill Hunting should be there.

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