Pacino is the issue here


Did anyone get the feeling that Pacino had trouble capturing the essence of his performance from the first two films? In I and II, Michael had a sort of steely, remote nature. There was hardly any emotion at all coming from him. Even his body language was subdued and scarce. Pacino could pull that off then, but by the 90s, Pacino had moved into his loud and boisterous phase. He simply wasn't the same actor. You could tell that he was having trouble keeping it subdued in part III the way he did in the previous movies.

His body language is totally different in this movie. His dialogue is different (cursing, jokes, smiling, laughing, screaming, impassioned monologues). The effect is less Michael Corleone and more Pacino. I get that it's supposed to be an older Michael, perhaps worn out and more embattled with his own demons. It's still way too much of a difference in my mind. He doesn't feel anything like the Michael from the first two films.

Even more than Sophia's terrible acting, it's this thing about part III that really sets this movie apart from the first two.

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Don't forget also that about 20 years passes between II and III. A lot of blood has gone over the bridge, a lot of anxiety, and a lot of uphill walking toward the salvation that is always just out of reach.



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Don't forget also that about 20 years passes between II and III. A lot of blood has gone over the bridge, a lot of anxiety, and a lot of uphill walking toward the salvation that is always just out of reach.


Agreed, good points. Michael was looking for redemption in this one, regretting the things that he did in the first two films.

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I sort of agree with you, and what was very telling to me was Pacino's own Italian-American personality coming thru the character more than the subdued Michael Corleone we saw in Godfather 2. To me the GF3 doesn't add up in terms of Michael's motivation for redemption. The entire grand scheme of buying into the Catholic Church seemed like an odd choice considering the well publicized corruption of the Church itself at this time, so I don't see how Puzo figured that the audience would appreciate Michael's foray into owning a Catholic conglomerate as some sort of "new direction" for him.

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Since I'm not Catholic in any proper sense I don't remember where the Catholic church was at in 1979. The 90s, when this film was made, was definitely a time of discovery of corruption. Which are you referring to?



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Har har, this the same Martin Luther that damned the Jews for not converting to his personally reblended version of Christianity?

Don't buy the Kool-Aid, kid, look into the real facts.

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One might say that the financial corruption of the Church at the time was exactly what made redemption accessible to Michael: he could buy it.

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The real aging Michael Corleone is shown at the end of GF2, with greying hair as he quietly reflects on his past. GF3 was nothing but a bad dream Coppola had after eating too much linguini.

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I think it's all due to the changes Coppola did with the characters. Some of the personality changes in the third one are a bit hard to swallow really.

Like Michael. Here he goes from this serious powerful Mafia boss to a ill, joking, regretful, religious and loud type.
It isn't a very believable change. The old Michael would never joke in the same way as this Mike. Nor would he be as loud.
Small changes are OK, but this way it feels as if he is a whole new person. To much really!

Maybe Coppola changed the character so that it would fit the new Pacino, the loud one!

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New Pacino? Have you seen many of Pacino's films in the 70s? He gravitated to loud characters even before The Godfather. Old Pacino is the same as New Pacino, he has not changed.

And no. Pacino did not like the change in his character for TGF3, this was Coppola's decision.

The change in Pacino is mostly due to the change in his voice from soft to gravelly due to incessant smoking.

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You, my friend, have hit the nail on the head.

My wife and I were eager to see this movie when it opened on Christmas day, and when the film was over, there was only dead silence from the packed theater. The wife and I were speechless, we refused to talk about what we just watched.

Over the years, I have re-invested time into this 3rd installment, hoping that time and age on my part would make this film any better...it has not.

All of the minor annoyances or changes are tolerable, however, it is Al Pacino's performance that sinks this movie; as KGB states it's more Pacino than Michael Corleone.

What a pity...

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I've always thought that If they would have followed the godfather novel on - this third instalment wouldn't have been half bad - but you're right - Pacino really hammed it up and although I realise now it was not entirely Sofia Coppola's fault that she sucked so bad in this movie - her death scene is still the best part of this movie (see the gif above)

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It's apparent that you aren't a long-term Pacino fan; that or you just aren't incredibly observant. You wrote: "But by the 90s, Pacino had moved into his loud and boisterous phase. He simply wasn't the same actor." Al Pacino's "loud and boisterous phase" is actually Al Pacino's entire film career! Have you NEVER seen The Panic in Needle Park, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, ...And Justice for All or Scarface?! Al Pacino is one of my favorite actors and he is known for his explosive, impassioned performances. I can't think of any actor that does "boisterous" or "loud" any better than Al Pacino. Pacino's long-time friend, teacher, colleague and great professional influence Lee Strasberg, as well as Pacino himself have made no secret of the fact that Pacino absolutely loves performing those big, loud, over the top, explosive scenes and characters. He loves it and I believe it's one of his greatest trademarks as an actor. It's especially noteworthy because most actors do not do it well. It can very easily come off as "over-acting," so the fire and heart simply must be authentic to the actor that's performing it. Per Dog Day Afternoon, does the dialogue, "Attica! Attica! Attica! Attica!" mean nothing to you?

If you'd watched any of his absolutely amazing performances in any of the aforementioned films (from the 70s up to and including Scarface in the early 80's), you'd know that Pacino's work in The Godfather films is notable because of the amount of restraint demonstrated by Pacino. I imagine that, for Pacino, playing Michael Corleone has been one of the most challenging and exhausting tasks of his career. With exception to a few scenes in the first two Godfather films, Pacino didn't have the luxury of using to his benefit his strong voice and great physicality. He had to hold back, using mostly his eyes to portray such stoic, quiet power. When Michael came into leadership, the soulful innocence in his eyes was replaced with a steely detachment so palpable that it creates a constant, eery tension. It's that tension that makes the second film both enjoyable and uncomfortable for me to watch, as I feel as though I'm holding my breath for the majority of the film. As a person that lives for Pacino's more outrageous, loud performances, I can say that Michael Corleone is NOT among my favorite characters, but Pacino's work as Michael IS some of the most admirable, balanced and brilliant work of his career.

If not for Pacino's dedication and efforts, the character of Michael Corleone could have easily fallen flat and one dimensional. A great example of this is James Caan's performance as Sonny Corleone. Where Caan is an otherwise fine actor, he failed to make Sonny real. Rather than be complimented, James Caan was handicapped by the masterful work of his peers. The contrast is so blatant that it makes Caan's Sonny seem like an awkward caricature. In Caan's defense, many actors have been best served to simply play quietly in the sandbox opposite Marlon Brando and Al Pacino. Not everyone can be as astute as John Cazale, an actor that shined with performances that seemed effortless. In The Godfather I and II, as well as his few other films, Cazale was both a compliment to and complimented by the powerhouse actors with which he played alongside.

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I disagree, James Caan was fantastic as Sonny. His character is all heart - a crude hot-head who acts without thinking, he is violent and impulsive. The script does not ask for a subdued nuanced performance - it requires a loud and brash performance. It was a great contrast to Pacino's performance. To have underplayed Sonny, would have been a disservice to the character. I believe Caan's portrayal was spot on.

For what it's worth, he was nominated for Best Supporting Actor by both The Academy and The Golden Globes..


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Caan is perfectly capable of delivering a quiet, detailed performance - ever seen Misery? He carries us through every psychological and emotional wince and trauma throughout the ordeal. I think he played Sonny accurately.

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^^^THIS.

So many people here claiming Pacino has "changed." If you watched any of his films beginning with The Panic in Needle Park, you would realize that Pacino is attracted to loud and boisterous characters. Even when he was offered the Michael Corleone role, he didn't understand it and thought he would prefer the Sonny Corleone role instead.

Pacino despite reveling in characters who have a penchant for loudness, is incredibly versatile, he was able to deliver a magnetic and charismatic performance in Michael Corleone who is against the type he prefers. But even today he is still able to deliver quieter or more restrained performances like in Manglehorn and Angels in America. Try to read a review of Pacino's performance in AIA and read reviews on other actors who performed the same role, Pacino was the most restrained and nuanced of all of them.

All these supposed criticisms on Pacino is due to people's lack of experience with his older filmography and due to the drastic change in Pacino's voice.

You will notice that Pacino always has a technique before his outburst: a quiet voice before the storm. And this is evident in every film particularly as Michael Corleone. Actually Pacino shouted a lot more in TGF2 than he did in TGF3, this is a fact. And two of the shouts/sceaming in TGF3 were because:

-he was having a diabetic attack in the kitchen
-he lost his daughter before his very eyes (the silent scream)

And that Silent Scream is one of the most magnetic and heart wrenching performances we will ever witness in our lifetime.

BTW, Michael Corleone is my favorite role of his, TGF2 particularly.

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I too always felt Pacino phoned it in for GF3. It's possibly he tried to get into character as Michael, and just wasn't able to, considering it had been over twenty years since he played him, and that the last time he played him, he was younger and he was playing a younger character. First you have to get into character as Michael, then you have to think about what Michael would be like in his fifties, then you have to portray it as realistically as possible. Who said acting was easy? lol.

I have GF3 on my netflix cue. I'm going to get it one more try. This time, I'm going to try to watch it as a stand alone movie, and try not to connect any of it to GF 1 and 2. I'm going to watch it as Puzo and Coppola's take on an aging mob boss in the 1970s trying to go legitimate and get involved with the church.

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I think you are spot on about Pacino.

He is probably trying to suggest that Michael is turning into his own father, but this consists largely of imitating Brando's rasping voice. It is a performance that makes sense in its own terms, but is too big and too demonstrative for either Michael or Vito Corleone.

I don't entirely agree about Sofia Coppola. It is not that her performance is bad, but that it is inappropriate.

She isn't an actress, so she doesn't give an actressy performance. Her unusual features and her natural, unaffected line delivery would work well in the context of a drama-documentary, but in a movie where everybody else is chewing up the scenery she does looks a bit out of place.

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Her unusual features


Just call her ugly, no one will care.

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