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Why all the hate for this movie?


I frequently see this movie referenced as a terrible 80's fantasy movie. I've often seen in reviews where people write things like "Not since Willow has there been a fantasy film this bad..."

I just read a scathing review for The Last Airbender that included the gem: "The Last Airbender feels like throwback to the pre-Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter era when fantasy was a joke (the bastard son of science fiction) and when movies like Willow dotted the landscape and set unwatchably low expectations for the genre."

I don't get it. At one time I thought it might be one of those movies you love as a kid, but when you watch it as an adult it really doesn't hold up. I've found that to be the case for a lot of movies. This wasn't one of them for me. I bought it on DVD a couple of years ago, and didn't find it to be a masterpiece, but still really enjoyed it.

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I don't remember the first time I saw this movie. It definitely wasn't in theaters. I don't remember hearing a lot about it either. I think I just kinda stumbled upon it one day as a kid. So, I never heard outright hate for it growing up. Maybe some here on IMDB. If you look at old reviews on Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, it appears critics did not like it. You'll also notice, fans did. The same can be said for IMDB and YouTube (where people love this movie). For every bad review I've seen from a critic, I've seen plenty from fans who did like it. It did make money too. I think it's developed a nice little following, at least from what I can tell.

I think this movie destroys the entire Harry Potter series. I read the books and was into the hype, but as time went on, movies came out, the books wrapped up, that series was exposed imo. Rowling pulled the same gimmick at the end of almost every book. It was like a Scooby Doo episode. Voldemort causes some trouble, but in the end those darn kids foil him again. It was just so predictable and repetitive.

The LOTR movies are well-made, but I can't tell you how often I've watched the lately. I have watched Willow twice in the last two years and LOTR, I probably haven't watched since my early or mid 20s. They just don't draw me in the way Willow does. Willow has a certain charm to it, the way Star Wars does.

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by GollumsLunch ยป Thu Jul 1 2010 08:10:57
IMDb member since March 2006
I frequently see this movie referenced as a terrible 80's fantasy movie. I've often seen in reviews where people write things like "Not since Willow has there been a fantasy film this bad..."

I just read a scathing review for The Last Airbender that included the gem: "The Last Airbender feels like throwback to the pre-Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter era when fantasy was a joke (the bastard son of science fiction) and when movies like Willow dotted the landscape and set unwatchably low expectations for the genre."

I don't get it. At one time I thought it might be one of those movies you love as a kid, but when you watch it as an adult it really doesn't hold up. I've found that to be the case for a lot of movies. This wasn't one of them for me. I bought it on DVD a couple of years ago, and didn't find it to be a masterpiece, but still really enjoyed it.

An intern I was working with who shot rap videos in the 80s here in San Francisco and Oakland, made the one comment about Willow that "it was all money, dude..."

I always thought that was unfair. Admittedly it wasn't the great adventure that a lot of mature film goers were hoping for and expecting, but it was still a decent movie.

Like I stated in another post, the movie was aimed at a Disney audience, and that was intentional. I think the film makers had hoped to draw in the mainstream fantasy fan base into a film that really didn't cater to your typical hack-n-slash fantasy game type who expected a little more bloodshed and themes of honor and romance as opposed to what felt like a kind of bubble-gum romance embedded into film that was aimed at children and a family audience.

I look at it now through that perspective, and I think it's decent. If I had shot it ... I would have injected a little more realism into the combat sequences, I would have toned down the baby-angle by a notch ... maybe replaced Val Kilmer with a traditional handsome leading man type ... probably showed him suffer a bit more ... maybe give the baby a magical power of some kind ... totally replace that dragon (no offense meant, but it was stupid looking, and that sequence was a little ham fisted)... and maybe let Willow keep his friends. But, that's all hindsight. It would have been a bigger, and perhaps slightly longer, film, but I think it would have been more successful than this film.

I hear Lucas doesn't like beautiful actors, and I tend to agree that when you're shooting a film that you want the common man to connect with, you need to cast regular looking folks. Willow however, I think, needed some traditional good looking types, but not models striving to be actors, but actual talented actors who were very attractive. Imagine Michelle Pfeiffer as Sorsha, or David Hasselhoff as Mad Mardigan. Or, perhaps not those specific actors, but actors who had more comliness. I think that would have sold this movie a bit more.

I can't imagine anyone really disliking this film. It wasn't as stirring as Star Wars for the aforementioned reasons, but it's not a real bad film. It could have used a little more exposition to explain some things, but it hangs together as is.

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Because people are so damn fickle nowadays.

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I love this film. Watched it when I was a kid and it's still as good as ever. Out of all the 80s fantasy films (and there were a ton of them), Willow is the best. I do enjoy Conan, Highlander, and Labyrinth, but Willow takes the cake I think. It's one of those movies I think you may have to grow up with to appreciate.

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I just rewatched it last night. I still think it's tremendous fun.

I suspect the critics trashed it because it is basically entertainment, with no pretensions to high art.

And what dimwit would call fantasy "the bastard son of science fiction"? Fantasy clearly predates science fiction as a literary genre, though perhaps not a film genre.

Reviews like that are the reason I don't have a lot of respect for critics.

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I've been meaning to see it, and to see if it was something before its time.

These days, it's perfectly socially OK to be a lover of fantasy and be into all the Lord of the Rings films and Game of Thrones, whereas in earlier years it seemed to carry a social stigma.

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