you should seriously question the level of your
humanity.....or to put it more bluntly, the lack of it.
What a dumb statement because someone else feels differently about a movie then you.
shareNot dumb at all.....the way people react to different situations can give you a pretty clear indication as to who they really are.
That bodes true for peoples reactions to movies as well.
What would you think of someone who thought " Faces of Death" was a cool movie?
I agree with the fact that this film is full of emotion which makes it enjoyable. Its score is also fantastic. However, I dont think it should be in the top 250. I believe it is highly ranked due to the connection film lovers have with this movie.
shareBut don't you think that the connection a film builds with its audience is a very important part of what makes a film what it is?
shareWhat does that suppose to mean? It is ranked in Top 250 (IMO not high enough) exactly because the audience likes it... so where is the problem. Or you mean not the audience should rank a movie in there? then who? Big green aliens?
shareNot dumb at all.....the way people react to different situations can give you a pretty clear indication as to who they really are.
That bodes true for peoples reactions to movies as well.
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You're a hopeless idiot.
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OH please OldAle1....
What you consider as "over-the-top sentimentality" is exactly what defines
humanity.It's the ability to feel, the ability to empathize.
Over the last 50 years these values have been drained out of our society
and replaced with greed, lust, selfishness, and as I suspect in your case,
a heavy dose of "realism".
Life is not ugly because that's just the way it is.....life is ugly because
we made it that way.
"Not liking the way particular feelings are shown on screen in a particular film is hardly the same thing as not having or not being capable of having similar feelings yourself."
In this case, I suspect it is.
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Maybe some of us are able to discern more sophisticated depictions of humanity, without having to have them sketched out for us in crayon. Just maybe.
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If you make idiotic statements like that, you might want to recheck your own 'level of humanity' (whatever that's supposed to mean).
shareRe "'level of humanity' (whatever that's supposed to mean)."
You really don't know what that means?
That's why you don't get it.
It's the extent to which you are a human. If you are reading this, you are 100% human and you don't need to worry.
shareDude, don't be so presumptuous in parading your conceit. You, the omniscient of the aesthetic?
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
Ahhh.....lost in translation.
Convoluted thoughts often hide behind convoluted words.
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My apologies, I didn't realize I was dealing with such a towering intellect.
I also appreciate all the info as to what my rights are. I had no idea that
even though I have the right to have opinions ( thank god), I don't have the
right to voice them, unless of course I receive your approval.
Maybe one day,after a lot of hard work, I'll be able to attain your level of
condescending arrogance.................doubt it.
I loved this movie because it is about the wonderful and crazy humanity in a child saving an old man's life, in all the little stories going on around them in the cinema which we get to see at the funeral, and the message that the old man loved the child as his own, even anticipating what to save for him after he dies. I always cry like a baby at the end; it is one of my all time favorite movies, really, a movie about movies and about the sloppy sentimentality in movies, contrasting the severity of the priest's censure to the lushness of the many kissing scenes saved from the deleted scenes.
BTW, your sarcasm made me nearly fall off the chair with laughter! Loved it! "Towering intellect" Hilarious!!!
Wow@ the OP. Reaching, much?? Anyway, while it wasn't exactly the greatest movie I've ever seen, it was still heart warming at times. I did tear up a bit when Paradiso was demolished, but that's about it. One of my friends, who is a math professor and lover of foreign films, suggested this to me. He told me it would "tug my heart strings". I was expecting to go through at least half a box of Kleenex, but sadly, that didn't happen.
She's beautiful as well as interesting, isn't she?
She's beautiful-that's always interesting.
Dude, don't be so presumptuous in parading your conceit. You, the omniscient of the aesthetic?
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
"..and you'll be on the fast track to associate."
"associate"? Hell, I'm the managing partner.
Curious: Where did you get your doctorate from? In the mail from a Detroit PO Box number, or a basement address in Lagos?
You stupid, clumsy labouring-boy.
Hey. Mark. Ease up on the hot sauce there tough guy. For your information, I acquired my doctorate in taxidermy from the William Howard Taft Community College. I don't have to prove anything to some lowly peon trapped in the bowels of this fine organization. You keep playing hardball with management son, and you'll find that I'll violently confiscate your nuts and put them in a jar on my desk.
shareYou wouldn't have a "jar" that's big enough; besides, it would dwarf the plastic T-M Ninja Turtle lunch box of boiled-egg sandwiches, your mamma makes for you each and every day.
(Give it a rest, Junior. You're outta your depth).
You stupid, clumsy labouring-boy.
Michael. Bad news. This is coming straight from the top, big guy. Talking about your bosses mother is a violation of Code 23c, Article H in the company's rules and regulations. Your office is to be cleaned out by 4:00 PM today. Corporate wants to convert your cubicle into an expresso station where your former coworkers can mingle and frolic with each other. Officer Menendez will escort you out of the building when you finish cleaning up.
(You're fired.)
There are two kinds of people in the world my friend... those who like Cinema, and those who like CINEMA PARADISO.
-------- Dave Jenkins
A 3-D Spaghetti Western rereleased to theatres cominatyanoir3d.com Comin' soon!
"Maybe one day,after a lot of hard work, I'll be able to attain your level of
condescending arrogance.................doubt it."
Dude, you're on here telling people that they have no humanity because they aren't as fond of a movie as you are. You're assuming that you have a higher level of morality because you just happen to like this flick. That's by far and away more arrogant than anything said back to you on this thread.
"Dude, you're on here telling people that they have no humanity because they aren't as fond of a movie as you are."
Not true! The title on this thread clearly states " if you hate this film..."
"You're assuming that you have a higher level of morality because you just happen to like this flick."
Higher than who? Higher than someone who can't enjoy a movie unless there are
countless mutilations, decapitations, interspersed with gunfire and explosions?
In that case, yes.....I plead guilty.
"That's by far and away more arrogant than anything said back to you on this thread."
Arrogance, by my definition, is an unwarranted pride.
I don't feel "proud" of myself because I love this movie, just trying to get
you guys on board.
Sooooo..................no.
"If you hate this film...". Unless you also hate it, then you are more fond of it than someone who does. So my original statement stands.
"Higher than who? Higher than someone who can't enjoy a movie unless there are
countless mutilations, decapitations, interspersed with gunfire and explosions?
In that case, yes.....I plead guilty"
So in your opinion, Cinema Paradiso is the ONLY movie that isn't an action movie? We're talking about one movie, ONE MOVIE, that someone may not like as much as you do. I think Citizen Kane is a better film. That has none of what you described in it, so does that make me inhumane?
"Arrogance, by my definition, is an unwarranted pride.
I don't feel "proud" of myself because I love this movie, just trying to get
you guys on board."
Arrogance, by Merrian-Webster's definition is "an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions".
Your claim that someone who hates the film is inhumane gives off an "attitude of superiority", as in, you think you know what constitutes humanity over someone else solely based on their taste in films. You continue to argue about it after many disagreements, or continue to disagree in an "overbearding manner", and you "assume" that you are right because, apparently, you just ARE right.
If a dictionary definition isn't better than your personal definition, you are assuming yoruself a more valid source than an instituion devoted to defining words. If that's the case, it only further proves your arrogance.
Soooooo...... yes.
Ok finalblood69, I won't continue to disagree in an overbearding manner, especially since I shaved it off a few years ago.
Taking our disagreement to its bare bones, it comes down to this.
I believe that a persons reaction to certain films can give us a peek into who they really are,
their characters, morals, etc....
I believe Cinema Paradiso to be one of those films.
Obviously, you feel that isn't the case.
So be it.
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Hahahahahaha...
I was told if I don't like Wall-E, I have no soul.
I did not very much enjoy it; I have no confusion about the existence of my soul though...
My request to those who disagree with the OP is, when you are posting, also kindly mention your favourite films. That helps people understand the case. Some people loved Cold Mountain and hated The English Patient. Some people loved Nuovo Cinema Paradiso but thought The Seventh Seal is a yawnfest. In such cases, the difference in not in the depth of understanding, but merely in the style of portrayal. There is no point in such people arguing with each other. There was no real disagreement to begin with.
However, there are some who might infer La Dolce Vita was silly after comparing it to Con Air. But even in such cases, there is no point in arguing. If someone has made that choice, he's not gonna switch just by reading a post in IMdB.
So, guys, why not take it a bit easy and enjoy all the wonderful movies there are? We need not throw mud at each other to feel satisfied with the things we love.
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You are wasting your time trying to convince people of the beauty of this film whose souls are too hollow and their minds too shallow to understand it and be moved by it. Especially in the American society where kids from the earliest age are fed the pulp of pop culture, devoid of the notions of true love, friendship, empathy, and most importantly the basic understanding of the possible depth of the human experience, movies like this one will fail to move. What do you expect from the society where people are ostracized for cheating on their school exam, but the best way to promotion is often to make another human being fail? I suspect people who are not moved or bored by this movie are the same people who find fulfillment and excitement in project management and aspire to make a VP of their corporate department some day.
"I think Citizen Kane is a better film." What does this even mean? That the camera work was revolutionary for the time the film was made? What makes a film good, great or best is how it affects the human soul and the connection it creates with our deepest emotions. I pity those who are not moved by this film to the core. "I believe that a persons reaction to certain films can give us a peek into who they really are, their characters, morals, etc...." Oh how right you are; anyone with a happy and rich childhood, filled with love and care, passions that ruled his whole being and experiencing love at the most purest level when your heart is still unmarred by betrayal, disappointment and the challenges of adult life will find connection with this film that will last beyond the 3 hours of its length. Those who never knew the potential depth and extent of the human experience will fail to connect with it.
This movie was made in 1988, in the decade when the American cinema was producing such gems like Porky's and the countless teenage oriented movies that encompass the experience of growing up in, "Dude, that's rad!" or something along those lines. Those who grew up on such cinematographic accomplishments simply don't know how to process a film like Cinema Paradiso. Now adults they might be able to argue with you about the merits of the movie from the movie-geek perspective, but they simply lack the human experience to appreciate what this movie so beautifully portrayed. It's too late for them now and I feel sorry for them.
Art is subjective, sometimes what touches one person's soul doesn't touch another person's soul. This is an important thing to learn in life, I feel proud to teach it to you.
If you think that Citizen Kane is only considered good because of the camera work, then that is your decision. I love both Cinema Paradiso and Citizen Kane, they are both films delving into the human experience. In my life, I was touched more by Citizen Kane, it is a film that drives far inside of me. It is certainly not a heart-throbber like this film, but the themes hold very strong to me...if you tell me that I am wrong and that my soul should be touched more by this film and I am dead in my heart or stupid in my head for thinking otherwise, then I think you have a lot more to learn about humanity...and sadly I won't be able to teach it to you, you have to learn it for yourself (so scratch my comment about being proud I said in the last paragraph, change it to "I feel sad that I won't be able to communicate this message to you by means of something as impersonal as a message board").
I wish you a great life, but my advice is to not become a filmmaker, it probably isn't a career that would suit you...film critique probably isn't for you either, unless it is by means of commercial film critique, as in telling people what to watch and what not to watch, but turn wide away from scholar-film critics...whose goal is to appreciate and communicate an understanding of said film to someone under the assumption that they have already seen it.
PS: The film was made in 1988, the same decade that America was coming out with films like Raging Bull, The Shining, Do The Right Thing, and Blood Simple (to name a few). I guess it doesn't matter what country the film comes from, humans live in every country on this earth, and great filmmakers have come from everywhere.
Life isn't like in the movies. Life...is much harder.
What is it again you said you were going to teach me? That people don't read posts? A part of my response addressed the comment that "Citizen Kane" is a better film without providing any reason why. I never said it wasn't a great film; in fact, I think it's a great piece of film making. But I do strongly believe that if you cannot connect with "Cinema Paradiso," it says a lot who you are as a person on a very deep emotional level.
Please read posts more carefully before you respond to them.
You're welcome to that belief, even though logic and real life (at least through my experiences) would dictate that to be a fallacious statement. I love the film and connect with it very deeply. But I have friends who don't, friends who are incredible people and are pretty much more capable of connecting to emotional subtleties than anyone I know. They don't think it is a bad film, they just don't care for it like I do...and good on them for thinking for themselves. Everyone is different, and art (film is an art) is subjective. So based on my experiences and the people I know, I think your belief is a generalization that argues against some of the themes that Cinema Paradiso was trying to portray (how the theater and the films he watched there affected him, and they affected him in a way that no one else could be affected because he is himself: it's a celebration of cinema and what it can do, and it is different for everyone).
"Please read posts more carefully before you respond to them."
You seem a smart individual, humor me and cut it with the snide and tasteless comments that detract from the actual conversation which could be quite a good, healthy, and educational one without all the unfriendly connotations. Surely we can act better than the rest of the internet?
Also, I didn't say you thought that Citizen Kane was a bad film...but it seemed like you thought that it's only true blessing was its affects on cinematography. That's just what I picked up, whether that is a communication error on my part or yours, don't worry about it. The only other reason I brought up Citizen Kane was because that film resonates more emotionally with me than this one...I love it...I love watching him succeed at everything and then fail (seemingly on purpose), and I love watching his whole life in that film and then discovering it means nothing to him. It's powerful to me, it resonates with me...obviously it is different with everyone. That's all I'm trying to say.
And to the main point of this conversation again, perhaps it would be best for both of us if you showed some examples that back up your point. I have gone a little into my reasons as to why I don't agree with you, but I would rather not go so far into it if you don't wish to continue as well.
Cheers
Fair enough.
I would really like to respond with a well thought-out post, but honestly it has been a while since I saw the film and simply cannot recall why it affected me in such a profound way. My original post was written right after I saw "Cinema Paradiso" and connected with it on such a deeply personal level that I simply had to express my feelings. I understand and respect that "Citizen Kane" resonates with you in a more profound way than "Cinema Paradiso." The former is undeniably a masterpiece and I never meant to imply it could not evoke the kind of emotions that "Cinema Paradiso" did within me. If I did, it was not intentional.
Thank you for your response and have a great weekend.
Fair enough, indeed.
Thanks for the fun conversation...I hope you have a great weekend as well. Between you and me, I do love Cinema Paradiso very, very much. I think it is a beautiful film.
Much thanks!
Cheers!
"Higher than who? Higher than someone who can't enjoy a movie unless there are
countless mutilations, decapitations, interspersed with gunfire and explosions?
In that case, yes.....I plead guilty."
Wild Strawberries doesn't have any of that either and yet, it is an infinitely better film, so I think you are full of S***...
Well the first hour was great, but when it turned into a romantic drama, I kinda lost interest.
shareI got through the part where he was still a kid, didn't think it was bad but didn't enjoy is much either. Thought it was kinda boring. As soon as he grew up and I saw that it was going to be a love story I stopped watching.
I really like the first part of the movie
but the second part was very boring
I don't hate it .. but It's not that good !!