I'm no expert on this series, and there are a lot of confusing things from sequel to sequel. That said I've always liked H4 and H20 in addition to H1 and H2. My question is if one watches H1, H2, H4, and H20, is there a decently plausible and interesting explanation out there to account for the major differences in story between H4 and H20? Thanks!
shareOf course there's a plausible explanation! However, I don't have it.
H4-H6 go together pretty well, but H20 says Myers has been unheard of for the last 20 years. One could simply assume that the cop who said that was ignorant. He exhibited signs of stupidity with his ignorance of time already when he thought Michael would have a cane and alzheimers.
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Hey, guess what? Like most people, I can easily overlook that.
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Well, most people can't. Which is why it's never happened, nor is there need to. The franchise ended with Resurrection and got rebooted. Jamie is no longer a factor.
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True, but the point of this thread was a simple question. The two movies can co-exist, regardless of whether or not it's relevant anymore.
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If counting H4 and H20, how do you account for Laurie having a daughter, and Laurie being said in H4 to have been killed in a car accident?
shareWell, in H20, she mentions that she faked her death and bailed on that life. Maybe she left Jamie with the father, and maybe he died shortly after. John could've been in foster care for some reason or another...
I don't know about you, but I'm from this little country called America, where everybody's a child of divorce and broken families. People have issues and leave their families behind all the time.
Jamie was away from her mom for about 2 years. Laurie could've been working to fix her life (she was a heavy alcoholic) with intentions of returning to get her back. Maybe she abandoned John and reclaimed him later on too?
Either way, it's not relevant to anything anymore.
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I haven't seen any of the Halloween movies in quite awhile, but the installments I listed were the ones I liked, and recently asked around if they could be watched together as one story and still make a decent amount of sense. Your explanation seems to bring some plausibility to H1/H2/H4/H20 being one story. I guess we'll see how it goes when I try it out.
shareWhat? How do 4-6 in any way go together at all? You could say some parts of 5 go with 4, and then maybe some parts of 5 kinda go with 6, but without a doubt 4 and 6 have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
I also think people should know originally 5 did not have any of that "Man in Black"/tattoo stuff. That was all shot after the film had been completed and the producer wanted some kind of "hook" as he called it to set up a sequel.
None of that was ever part of the original script, they cooked it up on the fly, and no one had any idea what it was about or where it was going to go. I actually edited part 5 and took out all that stuff, the film still has it's flaws but it's much more enjoyable.
Jamie, Dr. Loomis, and Michael were the only link.
shareWhat do you mean? 4 and 5 are at least as linked together as 1 and 2. 5 is a literal direct continuation of 4.
shareThey can if you choose and believe to make it work. I opted against suspending any more disbelief than I had to. I just view them as two different storylines one can follow. It's either I, II, IV, V, VI Or I, II, H20. And I recommend to those getting familiar with the series to watch
Resurrection only if they want to see Laurie's fate. However, I tell them that even Jamie Lee hated it, did it for a quick paycheck, and that they should just accept H20 as the definitive finale of the Halloween series.
Jamie was just a decoy to take the attention away from Lori for a while
shareH20 implies that Michael has not been seen/heard from since the hospital. Both the cops in H20 and the Gacy wannabe in Resurrection make no mention of H4-H6 events. It would be hard to hide all of the deaths and mayhem from H4-H6...no way to shut that up.
I've tried, but it really is hard to get around the fact that Laurie would basically abandon her little girl and move to California. I prefer to just view them as separate timelines that diverge after Halloween II, and enjoy each for what they are. It's all about what you prefer, no matter what anyone tries to tell you.
Oh, and now we are getting a third timeline with Halloween I, II, and next year's Halloween Returns which ignores everything else! Even if it is bad, I will take it over the Rob Zombie fiascoes any day of the week!
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I feel like one of the reasons for why they established a new time line for H20 is because it would have made Laurie look like a bad mother by abandoning her daughter to be stalked, traumatized, and killed by her brother. They probably could have kept all the films linked otherwise.
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That's a really good theory, the best I have ever heard. Like you said, it is ok if people want to view it as separate timelines or the same timeline. No one should really argue over it. Whatever floats people's boat! You presented a very good essay and why it can all connect if one desires to connect them.
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You actually acknowledge all the cult stuff? I don't like H20 don't get me wrong, and I can't believe how many people consider it some kind of great finale to I and II, but at the same time I can't believe all the people who consider 4-6 to be some kind of "trilogy".
Go watch part 4, then watch part 6, they have virtually nothing to do with each other, and if you consider the "Man in Black" stuff of part 5 was only tacked on at the last minute you would see even 5 had next to nothing to do with 6.
Aside from Michael and Loomis obviously, Jamie was the core of 4 and 5, and that was mostly due to DH great performance, in 6 DH is not there, and that Jamie is nothing like her, not to mention she dies right away after doing basically nothing.
I would say yes since Laurie faking her death in a car crash to protect Jamie makes perfect sense. Her paranoia over her daughters death explains why Laurie is the way that she is with John since she lost one child and didn't want to lose another. It is plausible Loomis was the one responsible for Laurie going into hiding and watched over Jamie as a favor.
shareYou've got to be kidding me. So I guess all those murders in Haddonfield never make the news eh? Laurie never hears about it, John never hears about it? She's so worried about John but doesn't give a damn about her daughter? It is amazing to me how far some people will completely twist all basic common sense.
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Really good. I'm not sure if I buy everything, but I think there is enough here to work on (and H20 is really muddled as a 'retro', it feels much more like they changed their minds on that pretty late in the game and left things behind).
I've always felt that you can make it work with a little bit of squinting and second guessing, and this covers the bases very well. Nice work.
Yeah it's funny how that one cop said "Look for a guy with a cane and alzheimers."
Michael was 21 in 1978, so in 1998 he would only be 41. How many 41 year olds have canes and alzheimers?
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They can.
in the original Kevin Williamson script for H20 (the one that ends with the Shape being beheaded by the blades of a helicopter) there was a scene where a student would recap the events from previous movies.
The script is still available somewhere on the internet, but you can read this on the trivia section:
"The reports that Kevin Williamson's original treatment for "H20" included a scene in which "Halloween 4" through "6" are acknowledged as being "in continuity" and "canon" are completely accurate. The scene did exist, and involved a bitchy student at Keri/Laurie's school giving a class report on the "Haddonfield Murders", and going into great detail about Jamie Lloyd, Danielle Harris and J.C. Brandy's character from "Halloween 4" through "6". The student talks about Jamie losing her parents in an auto accident, as was the explanation in those sequels for Laurie Strode's absence. (In fact, the only reason for Laurie to be in the Witness Protection Program with her son under an assumed name as "Keri Tate" at all was because the original story for "H20" was conceived like this, with "Halloween 4" through "6" in continuity, and Williamson thus being required to create an explanation for Laurie's "death" in the previous movies and her subsequent resurrection.) The student's report chronicles Jamie's being hunted and eventually killed by her uncle, Michael Myers. Upon hearing this oral presentation in the classroom, a grief-stricken Keri/Laurie then retreats to a restroom and throws up. This scene was of course omitted from the actual film."
Ok, but if John existed, then why didn't Jamie mention him. She was 6/7 when Laurie "died". If Loomis knew Laurie and John were alive in Cali. why would he not know Jamie better? Or have her left behind? Too many holes to poke through. Which is why they didn't go through with it.
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