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The message in this story is pretty *beep* up!


The message in this story is pretty messed up. And it even tries to make you believe it has a happy ending. Hell no! The ending is depressing. Allow me to explain.

On the surface, we have a movie about a boy who never fit in, but at the end of the movie he's made a couple new friends and has been awarded his very own football jersey and even gets a round of applause from his school mates. YAAAAEEE! Sounds like a good story right. *beep* No! I'll break it down for you how messed up the whole message in this movie is.

Here we have Lucas. Clearly his life sucks thus far. Gets picked on in school, lives in a crappy home, no mother around, drunk father, and almost no friends. Worst part is, he has to be around rich people all day. People who have great lives - people in happy families, happy homes, happy relationships, and plenty of friends. So, not only does Lucas have to live his crappy life, he has to have other people's great lives shoved in his face. But, that's fine, sometimes, that's just how life is. But, one day, finally, FINALLY, life throws Lucas a bone. A pretty girl comes around that likes him and accepts for who he is. Are things finally getting better for him? Is this his chance to finally be happy? Noooooooo!! Johnny football star wants what he has. That's right, rich boy Cappie, who already has a great life, lots of friends, and a girlfriend, wants what could have been Lucas' girlfriend. Forget the fact that he already has a girlfriend. Forget the fact that since he's Mr. Popular who can have any girl at the school he wants, NOPE, not good enough. He wants to take away from Lucas the only good thing that's ever happened to him. And here's the funny part........ THE MOVIE MAKES HIM OUT TO BE THE GOOD GUY!!!

Oh, and it gets better. See, it's not like Cappie just "took" Maggie from Lucas. Maggie went to him. After agreeing with Lucas about how some people can be such jerks and superficial, she then goes and hangs out with those same people. The guys who were making fun of Lucas at the movies, a couple scenes later she's hanging out with those guys in the cafeteria while they are squeezing oranges with their arms. (fun activity btw). Yep, shes laughing along with them during lunch even after she witnessed first hand how they treated him at the theater. She's that same type of girl who goes around dating *beep* that treat them like dirt, all the while turning down nice guys, but then complains about how there's no good guys out there. And in the long run, who would end up treating her better? Lucas or Cappie? Well, just from Cappie's record from this movie, he clearly has no problem kicking a girl to the curb when something better comes along. How soon til he does that to Maggie?

And it gets worse. You see, strangely, through all the crap Lucas has had to put up with in life, he's always managed to keep a positive attitude and outlook on life. That's how it should be right? That's what we're taught. Stay positive and work hard in life and things will work out for you. NOPE! Cause in the end, does anything change for the better for Lucas? Let's see. Still lives in a crappy home, still has a drunk father, still no Mom, still no girlfriend - - - - but hey, it's okay even though life pissed on you and took the only girl in life that you had a chance with and gave her to a rich kid who has everything, you should be happy Lucas cause here.......... HERE'S A SHIRT!!! Yes, a shirt. At the end of the movie, Lucas gets a SHIRT!! YYYYAAAAAAAAA! Oh, and some of the school kids clap for him. YES!!! Well, that sure makes up for a long miserable life of hell that seems to have to light at the end of the tunnel. A shirt!! Happy Ending indeed!!!

Moral of the story? Positive attitudes and outlooks on life get you a shirt. Being born rich and selfish gets you whatever you want. And the ending is telling you that you should be happy with that. Even though your life sucks no matter how hard you work it will always suck, just keep trying and maybe one day the rich kids will give you a penny or two. And when they do, you damn well better be happy about it!

If you really want to analyze this movie you can always say that Cappie is big government, Lucas is the "people", and Maggie is the life that we all work to get. No matter how hard the people work for it, if the government wants it, it's going to take it for themselves. Or maybe not, I don't know.

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I will have to admit, that this is one of the best articles that I have ever seen writted....PERIOD. Very good observation, I was thinking the same way about the movie, too. Unfortunately, that is how life is. Not the 'Revenge of the Nerds' or 'The Karate Kid' Hollywood-1980s-underdog-clichéed movie happy ending we all hoped for. Instead, with this movie, we got a bittersweet approach.

Does Lucas get the girl? NO, not in this movie

But all he got was a 'shirt'? Is that a good thing, in the long run - NO, but in the short, the 'shirt' made him feel good because he finally got accepted for attempting to defy the odds in being accepted beyond his predictable stature. Sure, he was a geeky outcast of a kid, but at least for that one moment, at the end of the movie, he no longer felt like a geeky outcast. Despite not getting the girl, I suppose the moral of the story is for Lucas to finally be accepted beyond his limitations, and perhaps he will have the 'potential' to attract better-looking and less-shallow girls in the long run - due to his enhanced self-confidence.

As far as your political parallels, I do agree, Lucas does represent the "people" and unfortunately we have to work 10x as hard the Cappies, or should I say - the Capitalists (one-percenters) - in order to get what we want, which are the Maggies, who represent the distant American Dream. It was pretty much a 1980s movie in a nutshell, and how greed was represented.


"All is fair in love and business." - Benjamin Franklin

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Best article ever writted? Firstly this isn't an article and secondly "writted"? Seriously?

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A one-letter spelling error? Seriously? God forbid someone spell a word wrong by ONE letter!







Reach out your hand, if your cup be empty
if your cup is full, may it be again

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Yeah, asses appear in every shape, size and color. But for someone to make a big stink about a typo. That individual has a major attitude problem, and probably needs help.


"All is fair in love and business." - Benjamin Franklin

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While I agree picking on a typo is petty....that whole sentence is grammatically-brutal.

Either way, his overall premise that the OP wrote some transcendent analysis of this movie, is laughable...so funny in fact, I though the cat replying was being sarcastic.




Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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This is such a dumb OP

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You are dumb....period, for responding.

"All is fair in love and business." - Benjamin Franklin

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You obviously have no understanding of symbolism and I'm doubting you even watched any of this movie. What, we're you texting and playing on your iPad while watching?

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ever heard of typos????? and yes, I have watched the AGREE with the symbolism of the OP.

"All is fair in love and business." - Benjamin Franklin

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I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the OP. One idiot at a time please.

Also honey, you aren't fooling anyone with that "typo" defense. At least not anyone with a brain.

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Who you callin' idiot?

"All is fair in love and business." - Benjamin Franklin

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"we're"?? Seriously??






Reach out your hand, if your cup be empty
if your cup is full, may it be again

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What, we're you texting

Should've proofread before postin', dude. Not the best time to slip up.

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Sad story. You got a smoke?

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While I agree with some things you wrote, Cappie did not seem rich; he was simply a popular middle-class athlete. If you recall, he drove an old boat of a car. You may've assumed his wealth because he was a jock, but many high school guys into sports are not wealthy. Cappie's girlfriend, that breaks up with him later, is wealthy according to her giant 80's house, but Cappie finds the middle-income Maggie to be more his type. In the end, Lucas smiles sweetly with Winona Ryder's character (another geek) and there is a presumption that they may end up together after all. So my take is that the filmmaker seems to be saying (consciously or not) that young people generally pair up with those in their same socio-economic class, within the constraints of natural selection - as discussed by Lucas.

While Maggie will be Lucas' good friend, she will likely pair with and marry someone closer in age and within her class (a comfort-level thing). And that's a reality of society. Not just capitalist ones. While capitalism has its weaknesses, it does allow many people the potential to make their own money in order to create a future very different from that of their youth. In this way, Lucas, with his intelligence and good grades, is likely to graduate with honors and enter a respectable university mainly on scholarship. This will allow him to build a career as a scientist or some other white collar position. He will physically and emotionally grow; becoming more handsome and confident. He will likely marry and have a family, own a nice house, and become well-respected for his work. This in direct contrast to his upbringing (alcoholic father, poor, trailer); by 14 years-old Lucas was already determined to overcome his situation! He did not let it define him. After the football game scene, his friends and classmates were acknowledging his determination, bravery, and loyalty. Even if Maggie isn't his girlfriend, the bittersweet ending is a happy one when you look at the BIG picture.

Speculation to that end: Perhaps Maggie and Cappie get married right out of high school, have a bunch of kids, and struggle on a middle income salary....but overall, they are happy. Maggie occasionally sees Lucas in the media - his contributions to science and technology, his earned wealth, and his world travels with his attractive and accomplished wife. Lucas is very happy as an adult...he earned his way into success with his intelligence, strong work ethic, and using capitalism to his advantage. The American Dream. Lucas, more than Maggie and Cappie, will better appreciate his hard-earned success and never take it for granted; he does not feel entitled.

If you think I'm exaggerating with this speculation, ask anyone who's been to their 10 or 20-year high school reunion. The "geeks" are usually the most successful and happy. You made an assumption that all the teens with rich parents had happy lives, but some wealthy people are not happy at all; you can't lump everyone into a mold. There are just so many variables.

Either way, I see a happy ending because in time, Lucas will have won more that just a jacket. That ending was just the beginning of his new-found confidence and perseverance...which, ultimately, translates into his future success. :)

High school is a measly 48-month period of an entire life; it's merely a snapshot of one's true potential.



"Don't get chumpatized!" - The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2007)

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Lucas is just as bad as everyone else because he only wants the cheerleader when there was a perfectly fine young lady (Winona Ryder's character) interested in him. Read your post through her eyes and you'll see it.

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Very good observation, and unfortunately, very true.... To me, Lucas was too good for Maggie.... Maggie was a slut who deserved her a$$ beat, going after someone else's man, although Cappie didn't make any attempt to shoo her away..... Way i see it, in keeping with the realism of your way, Maggie would have to realize that if she were smooth or pathetic enough to steal Cappie from Elise, wouldn't there always be another bimbo smooth or pathetic enough to steal Cappie away from her, Maggie? And, although I cannot stand Winona Ryder, she is so much prettier than Kerri Green, IMO, especially these days, as opposed to 1986

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Nicely pointed!

If we compare them 2, specially on early years of 2000's Winona Ryder went prettier and prettier!

I wonder what happened with Kerri Green, though. She starred on 2 great movies and with actors that had ever growing careers. Lucas was Winona's debut while Kerri was already a start and was prettier at the time.

It's sad that in these 2 movies Kerri was just a pigeonholed girl who's pretty and lovely but at the end is just meant to be desired by challenging guys.

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If Cappie had just remembered to put the lid on the blender none of that would've ever happened

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It wasn’t Cappie’s fault. It was the teacher. She should’ve just told him about the mess he was going to create.

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