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Bond was the only one to realize Khan was cheating at dice?


It was just so obvious that Kamal Khan was using weighted dice! I mean, double six every time? But the daft old major kept coming back for more punishment until the odds got too high, and then mumbled something about it all being down to luck. The scene where Bond swipes the dice, throws a double six and announces the result without even looking down is ludicrous! He might as well have just said "I'm going to say something that will shock everyone watching, but I think there's a remote possibility that you've been cheating all night."

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I love that scene.
You are correct, it is ridiculous... Fav quote from scene: "It's all in the wrist".

The name's Bond, James Bond.

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Khan only used the weighted dice when it was necessary. Suspicious, yes, but definitely not a dead giveaway. For all they know, maybe it is all in the wrist?

We, the audience, are only certain of his cheating because it's pointed out to us. And Bond knows he's cheating because he sees Khan swap the dice.

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And if you're going to accuse someone of cheating you had better have proof. I would ask for another pair of dice.

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That's what I was going to say. Kamal was obviously a very important and rich man. Everybody watching knew he certainly didn't need the money so why suspect him of cheating? It doesn't seem odd to the audience because we known he's a vile cheating bastard and is just doing it for kicks.

We have to show the world that not all of us are like him: Henning von Tresckow.

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The major appeared blind to what was going on. Bond was much more perceptive.

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Don't forget that they were playing at Kamal's own club. And Kamal was a rich and respected man there and also I can assume he had a reputation of a brilliant player. So I think, the Major didn't have a thought that he could be cheating him. But Bond knew Kamal much better so for him it wasn't a suprise. But his aim was not to announce that Kamal was a cheater and provoke a scandal but to make him follow the Egg. And meantime he made a hint that not everything in Kamal's play was about the wrist and luck.

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the game between khan and bond is so cool and intense at the same time, "oh luck? then i shall use your dice", and i just thought of it's the second time a villain crumbles the playing object in his hand, dices here and of course oddjob a golf ball in "goldfinger" (1964), as i'm rewatching these as they run for a week's marathon i seem to notice moore's british accent gets heavier by every movie. good thing john barry is back with his trademark bond score, bill conti didn't quite suit bond and was too much all over the place i found. what a step up role for maud adams (octopussy) after playing a complete victim in "the man with the golden gun" (andrea), think of that, a bond girl returning a decade later and evens the score, she was also an extra in "a view to a kill", the highlights of this movie is the encounters between her and bond, but it seems to me the bond movies became a bit more dragging and as regular action when john glen took over directing, the 1970s movies are more fun and bond like, his last was down right disturbing and they had to raise the age limit, by then bond had strayed a lot from connery and moore's days, nasty too how they got rid of the original moneypenny, she was a real likeable older lady and such a major part of the franchise. i think one of the guys in the circus tent plays the upset american guest in "fawlty towers".



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Yes, this scene reflected the fact that Bond is a master genius whenever in a casino

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