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You haven't got a valid reason to dislike the film if..


..It's because you think Jake LaMotta is a dick..

Yeh He's dick who has everything...and we watch him self destruct infront of our very eyes..

I thought it was compelling anyway..Scorsese always keeps it real, and we all know we've acted similar to jake at one point in our lives, whether it's on smaller scale or not..We're all capable of being Jake..

Maybe it's not everyone's cup of tea but i love seeing these films were the protagonist goes from extreme to the other..
You can't help but feel sorry for him when he's in the jail cell bawling..man..

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This is basically "Domestic Violence: The Movie".

Not sure how I feel about that. It doesn't really give any insight or provocation as to why people act the way they do, like say, for example, Dolores Claiborne does. The film takes place 100% in LaMotta's fantasy world and never leaves.

Maybe it would have worked better as a documentary.

This film was basically vanity project by Scorsese.

Limit of the Willing Suspension of Disbelief: directly proportional to its awesomeness.

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Preach it, OP.

The film doesn't show or tells us how Jake became the way he is... and because of this many people have a hard time appreciating the film, much less being able to sympathize with Jake. But, that's one of the things I love most about Raging Bull - it ignores biographical film cliches. From the moment Jake appears on screen, we see this awful person who is self-destructive, and eventually loses it all... and that's that! I know this can make for an unpleasant film experience to some, but I for one find it effective.



Hey there, Johnny Boy, I hope you fry!

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" But, that's one of the things I love most about Raging Bull - it ignores biographical film cliches."

It's a biopic which essentially just shows episodes of a life between 1941 and 1964. You're right in that because there's no extra backgrounding, we end up with this searingly honest portrayal of a character with few strengths, but many horrible flaws.

It does make for compelling, but not always entertaining viewing.

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I don't get what's so great about this movie.

if you want to watch a movie about an a$$hole who somehow becomes likable, check out 'bad lieutenant: port of call new orleans'.

I think rb is overrated. 'You're cheating on me!' 'No I'm not' punch
'you're *beep* my wife!' 'No I'm not' punch.

I think because of bobby putting on weight, learning to box, is the only reason it gets too much praise.


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"I think because of bobby putting on weight, learning to box, is the only reason it gets too much praise."

I think it's generally accepted that he just about rewrote the textbook on method acting S/Teeth, by bringing Jake LaMotta to the screen. I'd also suggest the rest of the cast is very good too and the film technically is hard to fault.

I know what you are saying though and yes...the material dealt with is very uncompromising.

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That's not fair. We can't always sympathize with movie characters, but at least we have to care about what happens to them, or we won't care about the story. I did care despite not liking him, but a lot of people didn't, and I respect that.

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Have to disagree with the OP, though I understand the point he's making about films in general. Some people do believe that films must be palatable, all their protagonists without flaws, etc. It's an outlook that's extremely limiting to art.

However, when it comes to Raging Bull I truly did not find it compelling to suffer through Jake LaMotta's presence. No, didn't feel sorry for the SOB in jail, rather was disgusted by his oblivious self-pity.

The film's artistry and craftsmanship are undeniable, I never say it's a bad film. That said, I certainly do dislike it. I simply do not share Scorsese's fascination for his subject.

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That's fair enough, i should have said bad film instead of dislike.

I don't think scorsese was super interested in boxing anyway. Deniro was the one who convinced him to do it.

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When I watched this film, by the end I was thinking to myself: What is the message of this movie? What did Scorsese and co. want to say?

I believe there are two answers.

1) An obvious one; don't waste your life! Seeing LaMotta throw away his shot at the title, everything he had worked for, including his brother, down the drain because he couldn't battle his demons or those voices inside his head. Until he finds himself completely alone.

2) The ending paraphrase from the Bible ""Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner." 25He then answered, "Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see."

What does it all mean? I think it's asking the viewer, if *you* see empathy for Jake LaMotta, and if you would forgive him for what he did to the people around him. It ties into Scorsese's Catholic themes that he puts in every movie. Themes of redemption, and whether LaMotta deserves such a thing.

That's my 2 cents.

Limit of the Willing Suspension of Disbelief: directly proportional to its awesomeness.

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Quit pretending the character was realistic. No one is that paranoid. It's over the top GARBAGE!!

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Any reason is a valid reason for disliking a film. Because, liking or disliking is called being subjective. If you are trying to be OBJECTIVE is when you should question someone's position.

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