What happened?


Why isn't this show on the History Channel anymore???

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THe Black Sheep movies is on the History channel. Not the TV series

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Um, not sure what you are referring to. The History Channel used to regularly show the episodes of the TV "Baa Baa Black Sheep" or as it seems to have been retitled somewhere along the line "Black Sheep Squadron".
To my knowledge, there was no "Black Sheep movies". At best, there is pilot episode that I've seen promoted as "Flying Misfits".

In any case, there are only so many episodes to air, since the series only lasted 2 seasons and The History Channel undoubtably has to pay licensing rights to air them.

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I never saw the TV show on the History channel but there is what is at least officially a movie (I believe a TV movie) that is sometimes on the history channel. In it Boyington forms the squadron and has to try to get enough publicity to keep it. It is what you are callng the pilot episode, but it is officially a movie.

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Probably because it had nothing to do with history!

As for accuracy, it was more of a Beach Blanket Bingo then it
was a true portrait of the real Pappy Boyington.

I actually met Pappy years ago and got his autographed book at
the Chino Airshow in California during the filming of this awful
show. I asked him why he didn't sue Hollywood for defamation of
Character. He stated that he wanted to but seeing how he was the
Technical Advisor and needed the money, well.....

If you check the actual history of the Black Sheep Squadron you
would find that the only woman stationed there was a nurse and
believe me she was nothing to look at. The battle sequences were
great but Conrad's portrayal of Pappy was an insult. The show
was basically a vehicle for Conrad, not Boyington



Patrick of Seattle

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what in the world are you babbling about? It was a TV show! You cant have a bunch of boring fighter pilots stay on the air for very long. If Pappy Boyington wasn't like the character portrayed on the show, then maybe he SHOULD have been! Ever think about that?
You should be happy that any attention at ALL is paid to the Black Sheep.
I guarantee you NO one would know who the hell they were without this show. You OWE Robert Conrad that. Stop Cryin.

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You have got to be the DUMBEST MORON around! You probably think that the SIMPSONS are real actors and that it's based on a true story! LOL

For your information NIMROD, in WWII Pappy Boyington risked his life every day against overwhelming Japanese Forces and came out of that conflict alive, even after being shot down. But in your LITTLE MIND I guess it just isn't as exciting as seeing a 5ft 6in stuckup actor playing volleyball with a bunch of dimwitted Barbie Dolls!

You need to get away from the CARTOON NETWORK and start watching the HISTORY CHANNEL more often. All INTELLIGENT people are very familiar with the exploits of the Black Sheep Squadron, more so than the DIMWITS like you!

As for Robert Conrad, the only thing I owe him is a LAUGH TRACK for the two hit comedys he produced, WILD WILD WEST and BLACK SHEEP SQUADRON. Two shows that I would rate right along there with HEE HAW!

In the immortal words of Joe Friday: "Just the Facts ma'm, Just the Facts"



Patrick of Seattle

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I used to watch black sheep squadron as a kid and read Pappy's autobiography. He was a real carachter in real life. In reality, his life was way more interesting than anything they ever came up with on the TV show. He was a true hero. Too bad he had to put his stamp of approval on the TV series to pay his bills. Had he not spent so many years living fast, he probably would not have had to do that. He definitely lost a lot of years to booze, and he could have done a lot better by his heroic image had he played it a little more straight and narrow. Anyone who enjoyed the TV show should read Pappy's autobiography. He was a hero and a flawed character.

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Finally someone is recognizing Pappy for his great exploits. I couldn't imagine
the stress that he was under in trying to keep his mens morale up against such
overwhelming odds. That's what probably drove him to hit the bottle.
So many brave officers who survived the war still carried the memories
with them, some felt a deep responsibility for soldiers lost and sadly ended
their lives.

God Bless Them All for the Freedom we Cherish today


Patrick of Seattle

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I don't know if you have read Pappy's autobiography, but if you haven't you should. It is called "Baa Baa Black Sheep". I really don't think that he was driven to drink by any traumatic experiences. He was just one of those hard living types who liked to party a lot. He lived in the moment, and his great skills as a fighter pilot were a consequence of this kind of personality. He lived a much richer life than most people. His heroics in combat compensate a million times for blessing off on "Black Sheep Squadron", and maybe people who watch the show will become interested in learning about the real Boyington. If not for the show, I don't know that I would have ever picked up his book.

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I had the book and even got Pappy to sign it, unfortunately I have moved 3 times in the last 10 years between Seattle and Los Angeles and the book is missing. I had met him at the Chino Air Show and he was standing next to the Japanese Pilot that shot him down. They had become great friends over the years



Patrick of Seattle

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Boyington probably needed the money, which is why he agreed to the show. However, surviving members of the real VMF-214 Squadron were simply infuriated at how they were portrayed as being discipline cases who were sent to the squadron in lieu of facing court martials.

In fact, the only member of 214 Squadron that ever ran afoul of Marine Corps regulations was Boyington himself. All other members of the squadron served with distinction and without any black marks on their records. Several made the Marine Corps their career. Others became very successful in civilian life after the war. With the show though, viewers all thought they were military hooligans who were threated with being sent to the brig if they didn't join the squadron.

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Toronto;

Thank you for your words of respect in regards to the brave pilots who were
the Black Sheep Squadron. Sadly so many people take what they see on TV as
fact, can you imagine someone writing a thesis on the Roman Empire by what
they saw on ZEENA ?

LOL

Patrick of Seattle

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No problem.

You should read the book Once Were Eagles by Frank Walton. Walton served with VMF-214 during their entire combat tour in the Solomans as their intelligence officer. In civilian life he had been a sergeant in the Los Angeles Police Department, and he returned to the LAPD after the war. In the 1980's, following his retirement from tbe State Department (where he'd been a diplomat after serving 20 years on the LAPD) he was prompted to write a book about the history of VMF-214. (A reason he was assigned to theat specific squadron was that Marine Corps brass knew both his background...and Boyington's personality. Boyington was a heavy boozer who liked to challenge people to wrestle when drunk. Walton was a big, strong man and had been a cop. The brass figured he was experienced in dealing with that type of behaviour -and told him that to his face. He had the unofficial extra duty of keeping Boyington out of trouble; with physical force, if necessary)

His motivation was the television show and how the pilots were portrayed. He'd kept in touch with many of them (as well as with Boyington) and knew how upset a lot of them were with how they were shown.

It's a very good book. It's quite concise with excellent descriptions of the aerial action. The last third consisted of interviews with former Black Sheep pilots in their postwar lives (c. 1985).

They were all unanimous in their condemnation of the show, if they even felt it was worthy of being mentioned.

One former pilot, who'd become a successful trial lawyer, said he was very tempted to file a libel suit against the show's producers. He almost did it, but changed his mind when he realized it would have just brought the show more publicity. Most of them felt a mix of anger and sympathy towards Boyington for allowing the show to be made. They were angry over how they were shown. But, they felt sorry that Boyington's personal problems caused him to require the money enough that he had to do it. (Boyington was a chronic alcoholic for years. It was the direct cause of most of his personal problems in his life. It wrecked most of the opportunities he'd had after the war when he'd received the Medal of Honour and become the Marine Corps' leading air ace. A happy footnote was that Boyington, with the help of AA, finally did get sober in his last years).

The book also explains just WHY the squadron's nickname was "The Black Sheep". It was due to how the squadron was formed. The normal procedure was for fighter squadrons to be formed in the United States. The squadron pilots would assigned, trained as a unit, assigned a number, and sent overseas.

VMF-214 was formed in a different manner. Boyington had been in hospital -due to a broken ankle received in a drunken wrestling match at a party. During that time, his old squadron had been shipped back to the United States. Boyington still hadn't enough time in the theatre to be sent back (as well as he simply didn't want to be sent home yet). So, Boyington was in need of a squadron assigment. He came up with the notion of forming a new squadron with pilots in similar situations to his -pilots whose squadrons had been rotated home, but didn't have enough time overseas to be sent home yet, thus were being sitting around waiting for assignments in the officers pools. The squadron was thus put together in the Solomans theatre, with pilots who were either waiting around for reassignment or were new replacements from the United States.

Because of the disjointed nature of the squadron's formation, it was nicknamed "Black Sheep" because it had pilots that were sort of cast offs from squadrons that had been sent home. None of the Black Sheep pilots had ever gotten into any type of trouble either before joining the squadron, during their time with VMF-214, or afterwards.

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as a combat veteran i would like thank all that have been said on these posts
1st Recon Battalion 8th Marine Regiment!!!!!

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Thanks for that post, TorontoJediMaster. I have wondered about the veracity of the whole setting of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" for many years (ever since I watched it back in the seventies when it first came out on TV). I was in the military myself shortly after that time period, and my experience with real military discipline told me that that show must have been largely bogus. There's just no way the U.S. Marine Corps would have had some squadron of what were essentially a bunch of renegade pilots running loose doing all those kinds of things. I know the military, and I know the Marines don't do things that way. So thanks for that very informative post, you cleared up a lot of my suspicions about this show from way back. (It was a fun show, though. You just have to take it all with one very large grain of salt.)

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No problem.

You should really check out Walton's book though if you would like to read more.

It's an excellent read. I noticed that in the series there was really no character standing in for Walton. I always thought it was interesting that when he was assigned to VMF-214, he was told by the brass -in just so many words- that he was expected to keep Boyington in line, by force if he had too. They actually said to him that with his size and police background, he was the perfect man for the job.

Also, the show made it look like the squadron lived on its own little island home, never moving. In reality, the squadron moved north up the Solomans as the front line advanced. They went -as I recall- from a base on Guadalcanal, to Vella Lavella, to Bougainville. They were flying off Bougainville the day Boyington was shot down and captured.

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i like what you say about how they at least mention the squad. have not ever heard aobut another corsair unit that got more kills than even the black sheep. most probably aint ever heard of them. VF-17 the original jolly rogers. one of the first squads to go active with corsairs, they were the first to bomb with the corsair, and lost only 13 pilots in action. all but one were shot down or disappeared. one of them crashed in midair with a damaged corsair that was flown by a wounded pilot. also one of the jolly rogers that disappeared was later found out what his fate was. a thad bell was found some years later still strapped in his corsair. it was found that a single bullet form a rifle or machine gun fired by japanese troops has penetrated his skull and killed him.

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Boyington was far more interesting (both good and bad) than he was portrayed on TV. His autobiography is an interesting read, but one-sided.

Bruce Gamble's books are much more revealing. Check out Black Sheep One, Swashbucklers and Black Sheep, and The Black Sheep. All three books are good.

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"Probably because it had nothing to do with history"

Haha - that was a really funny one!

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