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Vietkong execution? 'G' Rating? Has ANYONE noticed?


Ok, I know times have changed and such. This movie was originally released with an 'R' rating for a reason. A cross dressing waitress, ok.... Maybe PG there; but has anyone noticed that the beginning has the full footage of the execution of that vietnamese guy? You know, that classic (very disturbing) image of that asian guy from the '60's with a gun pointed at his head? If no one's noticed, the full execution is shown in Head - Complete with blood splatter, etc. And this was reduced to a "G" rating?

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I noticed that, too. I can only speculate two things: The ratings board was asleep at the wheel, or -- and this is an admitted stretch -- it's become such a prevasively familiar representation of the Vietnam conflict that people have become somewhat desensitized to the violence. I haven't, and I can't imagine too many four year old's have, either...

Now, about that waitress: Was that really a cross dresser? :)

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I watched it last night on cable, after seeing this thread. The version shown did NOT show the actual execution. (and this was cable!) The G rating must have been awarded to an edited version of the film, which is now commonly in distribution.

When / where did you guys see the version you speak of?

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I just watched Head on DVD (Australian release, released by Warnervision Aust, rated PG) The full version of the execution is shown at the very end of the mini-TV screen mosaic, 9m 20s into the movie. It is split into two shots -- up to the gunshot and then it cuts to another mosaic of the victim falling. The image is small as it is part of the mosaic, but it still disturbing. In this version, when the execution is shown again, full frame towards the end of the movie, it is cut before the gunshot.

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Perhaps it was put in the movie to traumatize children who thought they were going to see their good ol' TV pals the Monkees. This movie should not have been rated "G" but "M" (at the time).

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There is a third time it is shown. During the concert sequence when the band is playing Circle Sky. If I'm not mistaken, that time it doesn't actually show the gunshot, but you can see the man falling to the ground with blood pouring out of his head like a fountain.

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FYI: The execution occurred on 1 Feb 68 during the Tet Offensive. Saigon Police Chief General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executed Viet Cong Captain Nguyen Van. This happened at the same time the communist Viet Cong had taken over the city of Hue and had executed from 2500 to 5000 civilians. Bet you've never seen film of that.

The shooting also appears in "A Bright Shining Lie". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126220/

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Funny how neither side of the issue seems to understand that both sides did this. This scene is somehow important and to change my mind? Are you kidding me. As if the commie side were simply freedom fighters who never did a thing wrong, just fighting for freedom. Those who constantly used this scene to make a point must be the most biased liberals ever, plus the most stupid. And the other side was so bent on stopping communism that this scene doesn't matter to them. Anyone who was affected by this really must not have the ability to think. It's a shame that morons have to be shown something in order for it to have any meaning. It's like the NFL Ray Rice situation- it had little impact until a video surfaced of the wife abuse. "A picure is worth a thousand words"- yah to an idoit with no ability to reason.

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> Funny how neither side of the issue seems to understand that both sides did this.

Funny?

Just curious, what conclusions do you draw from this?

> Those who constantly used this scene to make a point must be the most biased liberals ever, plus the most stupid.

Oh go F**K yourself. Go stick your head up your ass and scream Liberal insults until you blow yourself up, cretin.

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Contrary to the popular myth (mostly perpetrated by Micky Dolenz) that Head had an "R" rating, this was never the case as even a cursory glance of archival material can tell you. The fact was that Head was one of the first films to receive an MPAA rating, and as such got away with more than it would have had it been released a few months later when it would likely have gotten an "M" rating (which eventually got changed to GP, then PG). Another movie released about the same time, Dracula Has Risen From The Grave, in spite of its graphic violence also received a "G" rating.

"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so." ~Ford Prefect

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And the Green Berets and Planet of the Apes (both in `68) were rated G. I think priorities must have been a little different then.
In Apes there's men's rear ends, apes hunting men, women, and children for sport, swearing, a lobotomy, and Heston's buddy gets stuffed and put in a museum.
In Green Berets, there's people getting blown up, machine-gunned, impaled, stabbed, a helicopter pilot on fire, and a child dies.

Nowdays, a movie gets a PG if someone is shown smoking.

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The ratings board probably gave them a pass on this because the use of the clip fit in with the anti war sentiment that is echoed in the film and Hollywood of the time as a whole. They probably felt that this was a way to shock the complacent populace into awareness, or at least sew the seeds of disgust for the daily carnage within the younger generation which was expected to turn out for the film.

As for it being a pervasive image of the war that popular culture had adapted, my own feeling is that we here in the present day project our ideal of the 1960s on the time when looking back upon it. I think the still images were probably very familiar to most people but the film clip itself was designed to shock viewers in the way that it does. I first saw the movie tripping my gonads off with a college aged audience in likewise states of altered consciousness and you had to pick your brain up off the floor after the sequence. It is a brilliant inclusion and this might actually be a rare incident of the ratings board allowing an out of ratings image to pass because they were hip enough to see how effective of a choice it was.

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Believe me, you're not the first one to notice this.

(although it's been mentioned before, Head never had an R rating - it was always G)

I think the argument was that this was documentary footage and therefore was done for the sake of information rather than entertainment....why Michael Moore can show a rabbit being killed and skinned in Roger and Me but if someone did that in, say, the new Die Hard sequel all Hell would break loose.

And they didn't believe that someone would be inspired to copy it. The PG rating that Jaws got was explain in this way as well...that they didn't think anyone was going to start attacking people in the ocean and eating them after having seen it.

The footage appears several times in the movie. Beginning and end. But the most complete version (I think) is during "Circle Sky" - "And what you see you must believe...". You've got to admit, it makes an impact.

I've also heard that all of the Vietnam footage in that movie is from a documentary that The Monkees help fund.

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Roger & Me was rated R, probably for the rabbit scene, since it has only one f-bomb.

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Not too sure about this but it may have been possible that Head was one of the last movies to not HAVE a rating. A number of films from 1967 and 1968 did not receive a rating as the MPAA Ratings Board had not been created. It's possible a number of movies were grandfathered to be released without a rating. The review in the Video Movie Guide shows no rating for Head. Ratings eventually appeared when the film appeared on VHS and later DVD.

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It had a rating of SA

It sucked ass

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More like it was one of the FIRST movies to get a rating--at least, I think it's the first one I ever remember being advertised with a rating. There was a radio spot for it that ended with an announcer saying "This movie has been rated G," and having not heard about the new rating system I thought it was some kind of joke--as in, a great movie would be rated A, a pretty good one would be rated B, so this one...

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If they ever made The Bible into a movie, and followed it as close as possible, that would be rated X.
Yet kids are more than encouraged - forced in most cases - to read that.

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Oh good God, shove you're pathetic anti-religion crap up your....

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Whatever your opinion the Old Testament is a truly vile book, I mean just look at the story of Lot and his family. A misogynist and pervert, yet it's his distressed wife God chooses to kill. Sick.






Who's driving this plane? Stan Butler?

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I have owned this movie three times in my life. The first was a home tape made from an airing on TNT, then I replaced that copy with a commercial VHS from Rhino, and now I have the BluRay from Criterion.

I was shocked to see the complete execution as described by the OP on the BluRay. Several times throughout the film, if my memory is correct. I'm positive the TNT version cut it just before the actual moment (except during Ditty Diego as part of the mosaic, too small to see clearly), and I'm pretty sure the Rhino release was the same. Nothing else was cut from the film as aired by TNT. I suspect since Rhino markets so much Monkees material, with an emphasis on fun and nostalgia, that they intentionally sold the television cut to make it a bit friendlier, and that the Criterion version may be the first time the theatrical cut has had an unaltered home market release.

I'm not 100% sure of any of the above, but I don't remember seeing the complete sequence until I got the bluray.

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I was shocked when I saw the scene recently on antenna TV in western NY. The MPAA must have been asleep.

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I agree. It did not belong in a G rated movie.

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This aired on TCM at 9:30pm with a TV-PG rating. It had the execution scene intact. A movie that had premiered with a G rating has no business showing film of a real-life killing, I don't care what anyone else says. It was irresponsible. It was also the fault of the director, Bob Rafelson. Maybe the MPAA was dozing off at the time (November 1968), or they were high on weed, or maybe they thought non-white people don't count. The MPAA, Columbia Pictures, both corporations run by rich white men, go figure.

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It wasn't a fake depiction of violence, but a real life news story that was on TV and magazines when it happened. No reason to rate that R, otherwise our local news would be X-Rated.

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Where was all the outrage about violence on TV when it was The News!!!! On TV during the dinner hour EVERY NIGHT FOR YEARS!! I vividly remember watching the execution on the news as I ate my dinner--the gun to his head, the bullet blowing the opposite side of his skull away--I was 12 years old, and it haunts me to this day. Vietnam came into our homes every night in a way Iraq and Afghanistan does not.

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