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The Prime Directive in "For the World Is Hollow ..."


Okay, here is something for you to ponder. We all know that "The Prime Directive" really got in the way of the Captains of Star Trek a lot over the years. In this one, the landing party had to show the people of Yonada that they were from outside of their world and it doesn't really cause them to "meltdown" too much. In fact, when you see Kirk, Spock and McCoy walking around in the "ball", the people just kind of nod their heads like they see aliens everyday.

The conundrum was, was this a violation of "The Prime Directive" to fix their screwed up navigation system and save them and Darren V from destruction. Kirk says, "It's better than letting them and the people of Darren V be destroyed". HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT?? That is the problem with the Prime Directive. The PD was to keep the Federation from interfering with things that would happen if they didn't interfere. If they hadn't been around, Yonada would have crashed into Darren V and kill everyone of them. What if, in the future, after the Enterprise's interference, the people of Yonada were to be the next Klingons? Or Romulans? What if Darren V were to have something happen that would change the course of history because they weren't destroyed.

Another thing is that they have a library that has the total knowledge of the Fabrini that helps to save Dr. McCoy. Of course, because they weren't destroyed, what if some of that knowledge were to be used for a nefarious reason? What if they had a weapon there that were to be used against another world? I am sure they would have had the technology of space travel given to them. They were a little bit on the superstitious side with that Oracle and a Priestess. A lot of room for some big time screw-ups in the future.

I guess they didn't learn anything from "The City On The Edge Of Forever" did they?

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According to my interpretation of the Prime Directive the Enterprise could alter the course of the asteroid without it being a violation, especially since the asteroid was artificial. They didn't realize the asteroid was inhabited until they actually beamed over. At that point it's captain's discretion of how to precede, and Kirk never seemed to strictly adhere to the Prime Directive. The whole moral dilemma of this episode could have been avoided with a simple distress call from Daran V.

Considering that the Fabrini haven't seen outsiders for 10,000 years or more I agree with you about their reaction to aliens. It's possible that their reliance on the Oracle is so great that seeing non-Fabrini wouldn't phase them.

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer

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I've been under the impression that once a race of beings achieves space travel, the prime directive no longer applies.

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Any unnecessary contact with pre-warp civilizations was prohibited by the Prime Directive. After a civilization achieved warp technology first contact could be made, but most of the Prime Directive still applied.

"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer

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McCoy was dying. Obviously, Kirk smelled some alien pssy and decided it was time to hand one off to his buddy.

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She was hawt. Leonard should have examined her thoroughly!

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That's Next Gen era Thinking. In TOS, thee PD was moreof a guidelien to not interfere with their politics or natural social develop,ent, not to stand idly by and let them all die.


In fact, every argument yoy made applies to any situation, even he Federation tuself. Let's assume for a moment thatTranswarp is perfected, allowign The Federation to go 100 Times Faster than they use to. But, that Tech can be used for nefariosu purposes so...well we can't use it. Peopel wpuld think that's stupid. Sure, new discoveries can be used for ill purposes but that doens't mean we don't advance. Nor do we let a woman get murdered in a back ally just because if we don't she might give birth to a Future Hitler.


RThe Prime Irective in Moern Trek is more of a monstrocity than an ENlightened Ideal.

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U might want 2 check it out.

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It still makes me sad when Jon Lormer as the old man who knows the true secret of Yonada is killed. Damn you, Oracle!

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What do we know about the planet Darran V?

SPOCK: The course Ensign Chekov just gave for the asteroid would put it on a collision course with Daran Five.
KIRK: Daran Five? Inhabited?
SPOCK: Correct. Population approximately three billion and seven hundred twenty four million, if memory serves me correctly.

And:

SPOCK: Captain, informing these people they're on a ship may be in violation of the Prime Directive of Starfleet Command.
KIRK: No. The people of Yonada may be changed by the knowledge, but it's better than exterminating them.
SPOCK: Logical, Captain.
KIRK: And the three billion on Daran Five.
SPOCK: Also logical, Captain.

I believe that is all we are told about Daran Five.

Maybe Darran V is a Federation member. Maybe Darran V has a treaty of mutual defense with the Federation. etc., etc.

The Prime Directive doesn't prevent the Federation from having open relations, both friendly and hostile, with other space traveling realms.

"Bread and Circuses" describes the full force of the Prime Directive for pre space flight non contacted worlds.

KIRK: The SS Beagle was the first ship to make a survey of this star sector when it disappeared.
SPOCK: Then the Prime Directive is in full force, Captain?
KIRK: No identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet.
MCCOY: No references to space, or the fact that there are other worlds, or more advanced civilisations.

But Yonada is not exactly pre space flight, and nothing is said about the possible relations of Daran V with the Federation. Kirk and Spock seem to agree that saving Yonada and Daran V doesn't violate the Prince Directive.

And the admiral says:

ADMIRAL [on viewscreen]: Perhaps haven't made myself clear. Let me restate it. You have been relieved of all responsibility for the asteroid ship Yonada. Starfleet Command will take care of the situation.

He says Starfleet command will act, not that the Prime Directive forbids doing anything.

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Such worries are what I call "Fireflying".

I quote from TNG "A Matter of Time":

RASMUSSEN: Let me put it to you this way. If I were to tell you that none of those people died, you'd easily conclude that you tried your solution and it succeeded. So, you'd confidently try again. No harm in that. But what if I were to tell you they all died? What then? Obviously, you'd decide not to make the same mistake twice. Now, what if one of those people grew up
PICARD: Yes, Professor, I know. What if one of those lives I save down there is a child who grows up to be the next Adolf Hitler or Khan Singh? Every first year philosophy student have been asked that question ever since the earliest wormholes were discovered. But this is not a class in temporal logic. It's not theoretical, it's not hypothetical, it's real. Surely you see that?

So you are not the first person to think that way about such problems.

I say that they know that Yonada will strike Daran V and kill 3,000,000,000 people in 396 days unless something is done.

So diverting Yonada will make 3,000,000,000 people more alive on day 397 than they would have been, and on day 398, day 399, day 400, and so on for years and decades. It will add decades to the lives of billions of persons. It makes no sense to avoid doing all that good for fear of the slight probability than in the future someone might be another Genghis Khan, or Tamerlane, or Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao, and kill a measly few tens of millions of persons.

That would be like Rufus T. Firefly in Duck Soup, waiting to apologize to Ambassador Trentino and prevent a war, and wondering if Trentino will refuse to accept the apology, and getting so angry at that hypothetical possibility that when Trentino arrives he insults Trentino again and starts the war.

I accuse everyone who worries that way, about the possible minor bad results of doing major good, of "Fireflying".

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The group makig those excellent eps on You Tube have crafted an interesting looking sequel to this one. The girl playing Natira looks like a clone, I swear. She looks EXACTLY like her. But CBS threw a temper tantrum and got it pulled.

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The original "Trek" writers considered the Prime Directive to be a pain in their asses, and we're always looking for ways to get around it or ignore it.

Which I can understand, as that ruled out a little of potential stories... but it's a law a just galactic Federation ought to have in place.

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