You're not so beautiful?


Why did Larry say "You're not so beautiful" to Margaret in the supermarket? He didn't know her at all, yet said this incredibly rude remark. Margarte's reaction was very understated but, c'mon!

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Good question- I was wondering the same thing.

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I thought that it was a good pick up line, obviously she probably been told how beautiful she was many times.

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This

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I'm glad someone brought this up. I hated that part. NO woman wants to hear "you're not so beautiful" or was it "you're not so pretty". I don't remember, but I did think it was rude and an unnecessary part of the movie although I must admit it is one of my favorite melodramas.

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I agree. I never ever understood that remark in the movie. I would think Kirk Douglas would have protested the script. It made no sense; they had just met. Not even plausible.

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I saw the movie last night and it was "You're not so pretty." Yes, a very hurtful and rude remark to a comparative stranger. And anyway, Kim Novak not pretty?! Did Kirk Douglas need glasses? Patently untrue about her beauty, but why have it in the script in the first place?

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When Kirk Douglas said to Kim Novak out of the blue "you're not so pretty", I think it was more about where his mind was at that moment. I saw it as a slip of the tongue because he was amazed by her beauty, and without much thought, verbalized what he was thinking. In fact, she was rather taken-back by the comment and told him to leave. One would suspect she was told that she was pretty a lot, and surmised he was about to hit on her.

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A couple of times it was mentioned that one of the neighbors, Betty or Linda, had talked about what Larry did for a living to Maggie and to Larry's wife about Maggie being very pretty, so my take on that odd line was that it was said to Maggie in a kidding/flirtatious way; stating the opposite of what is obvious. And did anyone notice that when Larry's little boy saw Maggie as she exited his mom's and dad's bedroom with her coat, she was sweet to the little boy until he said, "you're pretty," and then she said nothing and went downstairs?

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I agree with your assessment of the line. There were no hurt feelings. She knew and he knew, as did everyone else on the planet that she was outstandingly beautiful.

It was a presumptuous thing to say. But in stating the opposite of what is obvious, he cut right to the chase. He skipped the protocol, the phony niceties and all the other proper bullsh*t. With that line, he put them both on the same page and instantly established familiarity and even intimacy.

Pretty brilliant on his part that he was able to create an inside joke for the two of them within the first few minutes of meeting.

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" I saw it as a slip of the tongue because he was amazed by her beauty, and without much thought, verbalized what he was thinking."


How could it be a "slip of the tongue" and be verbalizing what he was thinking if "he was amazed by her beauty"? In that case, I would have thought he would have said, drop-jawed, "You are VERY pretty."

It was already pretty obvious that he had already been struck by her beauty the first time he saw her at the morning bus stop when they were both dropping off their sons. Note that he kept looking for her on subsequent days at the bus stop and trying to find ways to strike up a conversation.

Like others, I too was kind of taken aback when he said that to her in the grocery store because I think we were all expecting a "typical" complimentary pick-up line.

I wish I had the tape to review that scene to double-check more closely the look on Kirk Douglas' face, but I seem to recall it kind of had a self-confident smirk on it. That kind of slightly arrogant swaggering confidence that some guys like to use to attract a girl by NOT pandering to her - you know, get her to get interested in YOU by not showing any overt interest in her, or indifference at best; especially if she has all these guys falling all over themselves around her.

Although I think that was the intent of the line in the script (the unexpected pick-up line that is sure to get Maggie's attention because it is SO different), I find it hard to reconcile with Kirk's character. He didn't seem to be the philandering womanizer type who would be so practiced with such a line to use it on the spot - note that he didn't ogle the waitress in the breakfast diner scene the way the author Altar reveled in (although I don't recall if that scene took place before or after this grocery store scene).

My other immediate thought when I first saw that scene and heard that line was that Kirk Douglas' character Larry was just saying or thinking it to himself to try to convince himself that Maggie wasn't pretty enough to take a chance and throw away everything he had. But he didn't say it under his breath but to her directly and there also was something about the leering (?) look on his face that made it seem more the calculated pick-up line than an innocent attempt to convince and restrain himself.

It seemed to me at that point in the grocery store he had already crossed the line in his mind and was venturing into the dangerous, yet exciting, uncharted territory of his libidinous fantasies.

He had thrown out his sounding line there, and was just waiting to see if he would get an encouraging response in return.

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You nailed it...I always saw that scene as flirtatious and dangerous, and quite frankly, people send out signals, she was clearly sending him signals -

"Sentiment comes easy at fifty cents a word."

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At first, I too was puzzled by this comment. But I now believe that was the faithful father/husband speaking and the "full" line could have been - you're not so pretty that I would cheat on my wife for you.

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It was a clever pick-up line and I'm pretty sure she---while perhaps being a bit surprised---took very little offense at it.

On the other hand, it may've reminded her of problems at home.

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Its a great line. When I heard it I thought 'This is not a regular movie of this period'...its the last line she would have expected to hear....
"ah have always depended upon the strangeness of kindness..."

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pretty , but not so pretty that I would....

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I'm starting to think it was an ad-lib.

When TCM showcased it last year, the host talks about how Kirk and Kim did not get along. Kim was having an affair with the director and tried to "direct" Kirk in his scenes and from what I understand he resented it being an established actor.

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I'm starting to think it was an ad-lib.

When TCM showcased it last year, the host talks about how Kirk and Kim did not get along. Kim was having an affair with the director and tried to "direct" Kirk in his scenes and from what I understand he resented it being an established actor.
Though it's true that there was no love lost between Novak and Douglas, the line obviously wasn't an ad-lib. Since Richard Quine was Kim Novak's lover, I seriously doubt he'd leave an improvised insult to her in the finished film.

I'm pretty sure, as others have suggested, that it was a clever line to say to an obviously beautiful woman. She'd almost certainly heard how beautiful she was ad nauseum. But how often had someone told her, "You're not so pretty."?




I'd like to kiss you, but I just washed my hair.

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It is a strange line, but look at the context. A bit earlier in the conversation he had asked her if she liked living in the neighborhood(she and her family have been there only a few months)and she had said that all places were "pretty much the same." His "You're not so pretty" (and it is "pretty," not "beautiful")is shorthand for "You're not pretty much the same" -- i.e. "Your're not like other women." Her reaction suggests that she understands this.

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It's a pick-up strategy. It's known as a "neg". It's a seemingly accidental insult delivered to a beautiful woman with the intent of demonstrating to her a lack of interest on the man's part. I believe the "You're not so beautiful" line in this movie scene was said without a conscious intent of seduction. Many guys understand this technique on a sub-conscious level without ever being told about this strategy. It sometimes works....on very pretty women. It's often not a good strategy to use with women of average or only slightly above average sex appeal or appearance.

Women use a similar strategy on famous men sometimes, either knowingly or unknowingly. For example, Heather Mills telling Paul McCartney that she was not all that familiar with the Beatles. It rocks a celebrity back on his heels and impresses him because he is so accustomed to people fawning over him. It's a great "neg".

"Negging" is a great way to communicate to the person you're flirting with that "You're not too good for me. You're not so beautiful that you're out of my league".

I'll bet you guys and gals know about this from your own experiences in life, but you've never put a name or label to this particular flirting behavior before.

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@Ed-145 - You explained it a lot better than I tried to do earlier in the thread on Oct 1, 2009.

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@rspnov - "shorthand for 'You're not pretty much the same'" I think is the most incorrect (and tortuous) explanation for Kirk's line so far.




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