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Oh man this is a bad movie


I saw the 50th anniversary re-release at the Moma and I'm tickled.

To start with, the special effects are MUCH inferior to King Kong, made more than 20 years before this movie. Godzilla's appearance is too little, too late after all the build up.

Roger Ebert says of this movie that "properly decoded, [it] was the "Fahrenheit 9/11" of its time." Hahaha, more like THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW of its time! Sometimes the Atom Bomb and nuclear warfare subtexts strike a real chord, like the scenes in the hospital and Tokyo on fire but most of the time, this movie is to nuclear warfare like global warming is to The Day After Tomorrow.

Some of the original audience, instead of thinking "Oh God, this is terrible!" about the politics in the film and the message about American nuclear weapons, were probably just thinking "That blew up real good!".

The movie is choppy, uneven, boring and overlong.

The only really good thing about it was seeing the compilation reel the Moma made comparing the American and Japanese versions. Funny stuff.

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the power of the film's political message is the only positive aspect of this film - the rest is pretty rubbish.

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Stop motion and live action are completely different artforms and both King Kong and Godzilla perfected each aspect. It doesn't make sense to say one has better effects over the other because, frankly, the amount of detail in sets and effects in Godzilla is just as incredible to me as the thought and patience behind the stop motion in King Kong. Love stop motion animation, but to say the effects in Godzilla are a downgrade is wrong. Godzilla was a great influence and was regognized as a great achievement in the effects, especially under the great cinematography. King Kong is a classic and one of the best, but Godzilla is so much more different and unique with it's risky storyline (for its time) and the creative effects.

Oh, and about the cheesyness factor for both films, come on, King Kong takes the cake a little. The whole animatronic part with him raising his eyebrows. COME ON. But I liked the way Godzilla looked and was presented in the original. Always had a great deal of shadow on him, still looking mysterious even when we're looking straight at him, and there's a weirdness to him in the shots that have him from the chest up. It's an obvious different costume, but he looks bloody scary because he looks so awkward, the look of something that should not be, which is a bloody theme of the movie. An unreal ugliness manifested into something real and terrifying. Get what I'm saying? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Point being, I love the amount of work put into both movies. Why all the hate for the animation teams in the movies?

...... Now as for story, *beep*, Godzilla is much better. Nuclear bomb metaphor compared to what? What deeper meaning does King Kong have? Foreigners who live on islands are scary? Giant apes like white women too?

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...... Now as for story, *beep*, Godzilla is much better. Nuclear bomb metaphor compared to what? What deeper meaning does King Kong have? Foreigners who live on islands are scary? Giant apes like white women too?

In actuality, BOTH are man vs. nature allegories. Human kind has challenged nature with disastrous results.

However, while both may share a similar parable, it does not mean that they are one and the same and therefore comparisons are warranted and one must be chosen as the better. No. Merian C. Cooper wasn't setting out to make nuclear metaphor film. And Ishiro Honda wasn't striving for a tragic beauty and the beast tale. If one wants to compare the story of GODZILLA with a stop-motion monster, then Ray Harryhausen's THE BEAST FROM 20,000 FATHOMS is the better fit.

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You're right. 20,000 Fathoms is a better choice to compare Godzilla with, in the case that they both include a different cultural reflection of using atomic bombs. With Godzilla, he's the reflection of mother nature's revenge. A twisted figure molded through mankind's injustice to the world and eachother through war. The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms..... "We awoke a terrible creature because of the bomb. LETS NUKE IT TO DEATH! AMERICA!"

BUT. But. One thing. I wouldn't necessarily call Godzilla a "man vs. nature" story, just because that is most definitely not the message that is supposed to get across. Fits for King Kong and 20,000 Fathoms, but Godzilla isn't nature. He's not natural. He's the result of man going against nature, thus the movie isn't really a story of man fighting nature. Man is supposed to realize they're wrong by destroying nature.

..... That is all.

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"Gojira" is an iconic, landmark film that rightfully launched the visually arresting genre of kaiju eiga, or Japanese Giant Monster movies. The film itself, unrolls like a nightmare. Godzilla is at the same time a monster and symbol of nuclear destruction. It is a riveting, emotion evoking piece. The director, Inshiro Honda makes feel as if you are in Tokyo, not merely observing from afar. The effects scenes, featuring the monster awakened by nuclear weapons testing, are contrasted nicely with human drama and characterization. The former are awe-inspiring, the latter allow you to get to know the people placed at the heart of events that no one could imagine or envision.

This is a great, stunning film.

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I can't see why both movies can't be appreciated for what they are...KING KONG a tragic "beauty and the beast" story and GODZILLA an allegory about Man's misuse of the atom. And much of the special effects of BOTH movies have long since been surpassed. Even STAR WARS' special effects in the original edition to a modern audience pretty much looks like a Japanese science fiction film's effects did to a 1977 audience.

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"Some of the original audience, instead of thinking "Oh God, this is terrible!" about the politics in the film and the message about American nuclear weapons, were probably just thinking 'That blew up real good!'. "

Seeing as how this was released so soon after the bomb was dropped and how many who saw it were survivors of it (and many were probably dying of radioactive fallout while watching it) I'd say that's unlikely.

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Oh man Godzilla (1954) is a great movie.

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