Ruth Knickerbocker


Could someone please explain to me Ricky and Fred’s scheme of inviting her to the Tropicana, obviously it was to influence her vote in the club election because the both wanted the other person to win but how does inviting her to the club help accomplish that? I have never understood this, thanks

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Both thought exactly what you posted - that they could woo her into voting for the other's wife.

That said, it's a pretty weak motive. As if Ricky and Fred would care if their wives led that silly Wednesday
Afternoon Fine Arts League.

This is one of those episodes I've only begun to enjoy in the last year or so. It features Carolyn ("Lillian") Abbleby's
first appearance (and one of her best), as well as a juicy fight between Lucy and Ethel.

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Both men looked down on the Wednesday Afternoon Fine Arts League. Well, maybe they didn't exactly look down on it, but they seemed to find it a bit silly.

I remember Fred asking Lucy and Ethel if 'the meeting of the claw and cackle society" was over.

Ricky probably didn't care about Lucy's involvement except that the meetings usually seemed to take place in the Ricardo apartment. Ricky didn't want the meeting in their living room because it took Lucy two days to get ready and two days to get over it. I think that was the episode when the Ricardos redecorated the Mertz apartment. Ethel always asked Lucy to take her turn because she was embarrassed by the shabby state of her apartment. I wonder if any of the other women hosted the meetings?

I don't think it actually bothered Ricky since he was at the Tropicana most days when the meetings happened. But what did bother him was Lucy always volunteered Ricky (and sometimes his band) to perform in the club's plays and musicals.

As far as being club president, both fellas probably thought their wives would be even more involved with the club if they were elected to lead the club.

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Wow. Great points! And you are right - all those conversations did take place, so Ricky and Fred were consistent
in not being fond of the "league." And they DID takes themselves far too seriously (as if it wouldn't occur to them
how AWFUL they sounded trying to "from their own orchestra!").

On last viewing, I realized that the conclusion of the Ruth Knickerbocker ep is a series plot point: Lucy and Ethel BOTH
win and become co-presidents. Ethel tries to take over the meeting in the opening scene of "Lucy and Ethel Wear
the Same Dress." Lucy, of course, rushes out from the nursery for her "turn" to lead. I never paid attention to this
before because I avoided "The Club Election" up until about a year and a half ago. "Voting for a DYED head is like
voting for a DEAD head!" Lol!

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It was interesting that they were consistent with what happened at the end of the club election. The women were elected co-presidents.

Their campaign slogans were pretty funny. "A vote for a redhead is a vote for a deadhead. Or should I say dyed head?" "Nerts to Mertz" lol

The one thing I am curious about...where exactly were Lucy and Ethel planning to hang their campaign posters? The Fine Arts League didn't have a clubhouse. The meetings always seemed to be held in Lucy's apartment. And I doubt if she was going to allow Ethel's posters to hang in her living room.

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