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I refuse to believe it.


I refuse to believe that losing Mane and signing Gakpo and Nunez suddenly turned this team into shit. A few spots on the table could be understandable, but they're a mid-table team now.

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Any team would miss a player of Mane's calibre, but Liverpool's main issue this season lies in midfield, which is now a mixture of exhausted, ageing players and younglings who aren't quite good enough yet. And perhaps never will be.

A couple of astute signings in midfield in the summer -- possibly Bellingham, but probably not -- and it'll all look a lot better next year.

They're not as far away as people seem to think. They've just focussed too hard on refreshing their attacking options and neglected the team's 'engine'. They'll be back.

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I don't think they're far at all. Like Chelsea, they have the talent but something just isn't clicking. There's no cohesion with the players. I think both teams will be better. Liverpool may even challenge for the title and Chelsea maybe squeeze into top 4.

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Aye. I agree.

I see a lot of commentary, even from ex-players and pundits saying Liverpool require 'major surgery' or a complete overhaul or that there's a huge rebuild ahead... But that rebuild is already in process. This is a team in transition. They just remodelled their attack instead of the midfield. And, yeah, as a result they lost cohesion. The defence is also forced to play deeper than in recent seasons because the midfield simply isn't covering. Trent is frequently exposed now in a way he wasn't before.

I understand the decision. No-one could have foreseen the drop-off from these midfielders would be quite so sudden after almost winning a quadruple last year. But, yes, they just need to fix the hole in the middle of the pitch and the attack and the defence will function better again.

This season is a total write-off though.

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I hope both Liverpool and Chelsea do better next year because I really don't approve of Arsenal and Man City battling it out for first. I'd rather any other team win than those two.

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Ignoring yesterday's game, I'd prefer to see Arsenal win the title over bloody United or City, or even Chelsea for that matter. I don't have anything particular against 'The Gunners' apart from that 1989 Michael Thomas goal.

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I know too many cocky Arsenal fans that I just can't allow this to happen. I hate City because they're just an irrelevant club with no history and play in the Empithad. (I didn't misspell that).

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It'll be interesting to see if Chelsea compete next season. As you say, they've got some serious talent at the club.

But Tod Boehly has never worked in sport of any kind before. Let alone football. Let alone the Premier League. And it shows. If he learns quickly that he'd be wise to listen to people who know the game better than he does, they'll be fine. If he doesn't, they've pissed a hell of a lot of money up the wall to finish mid-table. In fairness to him, it took FSG a while at Liverpool to start hiring people who actually knew what they were talking about and leaving them alone to do their jobs... so Chelsea will probably get there soon enough.

Much prefer Arsenal winning the league to Manchester City. Largely indifferent to both clubs, to be honest. No historic rivalries -- but City are cheats.

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I think the problem with Chelsea is that Boehly wants to show that he is invested in the club after Abramovich left and just continued to sign players. The problem is that there are just too many new signings and they are going to need a lot of time to find which players works best with which other player.

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Yup. Too many new players too quickly. That never works. And anyone with any knowledge of football or probably any team sport knows that.

And there's no clear strategy to anything else either. He will be on to his fourth manager already by the start of next season. Who sacks Thomas Tuchel to hire Graham Potter to sack Graham Potter for Frank Lampard?

But I'm assuming the man isn't an idiot and it's clear he's not bought the club to take money out of it like the Glazers at Manchester United, so I'm sure he'll learn from mistakes, figure stuff out and get them back to the top again.

I am just not 100% sure he's going to do so in time for Chelsea to be competitive next season. He may have already created a mess that takes another year to sort out.

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I think eventually they'll come around to be contenders again. I'm just not sure how long it will take. And they will need an elite striker too.

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so I'm sure he'll learn from mistakes


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I thought we'd suffer without Mane, but only in the sense of say dropping to third or fourth position (as opposed to challenging for the title as we did last season). Mane was my favourite player. He had the initiative to make goals out of nothing, which is something that we don't always see from Salah, for all his skill and occasional trickery. When Mane was on form, which was more often than not, he had the ruthless instinct to punish opposition mistakes, which is lacking among most of LFC's players, who seem too timid to take any shots, judging by recent games.

Still, Liverpool's current mid-table position surely can't be entirely attributed to Mane leaving. Some say it's partly down to Pep Lijnders' book giving all our secrets away, and maybe there's some truth in that (along LFC simply lacking the element of surprise and freshness, and needing new tactics), along with the injection of money we're seeing in other teams, like Newcastle, and the fact that things are finally, and unfortunately, starting to click for United and Arsenal after several seasons in which they've struggled to establish a successful system.

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I don't think it has much to do with Newcastle. I just look at them like they're just one more team to add into the mix to battle for top 4. Honestly, I think this is just a weird year for Liverpool where nothing seems to be going right. Like there's something that isn't connecting. Having said that, I think they'll be better next year.

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You're right in the sense that LFC's form has simply been bad, irrespective of whatever else is happening in the PL.

But then you look at how well Newcastle, Brighton and even Aston Villa (who've come from nowhere, after a bad start to the season under Stevie G) have done, as well as the unfortunate resurgence of Arsenal and United, and it does make things harder. Then again, in view of how badly we've played against the 'smaller' teams, I don't think it's made any difference to our 'title prospects' (which is entirely on us). It's just made it harder to penetrate the top 6 or 4. And if it hadn't been for those other teams gaining unexpected form, I suppose we'd have ended up with one of those annoying seasons in which City ended up crowned champions by now.

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the unfortunate resurgence of Arsenal

Truer words have never been spoken.

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