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☝️ Pop vs. Box 👇 '62 - '12

posted 3 years ago by Redsfan001 (6013)
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Key -

B - box office rank for year
P - current popular ranking for year
🎖️ - 1st place ranking
🗽 - most votes for year
💣 - popularity loser top list
🥇 - 1st place popular winner for year
🍅 - 1st place popular loser for year
🍄 - 2nd place popular loser for year
* - director
** director/actor
🤔 - most obscure

(#/142)- rank amongst 142 actors

(Supporting roles included)

62 War Hunt - no data
66 The Chase B20 P38
66 This Property is Condemned - no data
67 Barefoot in the Park B13 P28
69 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 🎖️🗽 B1 P4
69 Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here B24 P90
69 Downhill Racer - no data
70 Little Fauss and Big Halsy B43 P70
72 Jeremiah Johnson B5 P11
72 The Candidate B102 P66
72 The Hot Rock B31 P28
73 The Sting B2 P2
73 The Way We Were 💣 B5 P22
74 The Great Gatsby 🥇 B16 P8
75 Three Days of the Condor B7 P15
75 The Great Waldo Pepper B17 P67
76 All the President's Men B6 P8
77 A Bridge Too Far B7 P3
79 The Electric Horseman B15 P53
80 Ordinary People* B12 P24
80 Brubaker B18 P48
84 The Natural B15 P18
85 Out of Africa B33 P37
86 Legal Eagles 🍅 B13 P135
88 The Milagro Beanfield War* B70 P168
90 Havana B100 P152
92 Sneakers B30 P52
92 A River Runs Through It* B37 P35
93 Indecent Proposal B6 P35
94 Quiz Show* B56 P69
96 Up Close and Personal 🍄 B31 P124
98 The Horse Whisperer** B26 P94
00 The Legend of Bagger Vance* B80 P74
01 The Last Castle B104 P96
01 Spy Game B38 P62
04 The Clearing B160 P182
05 An Unfinished Life B148 P78
07 Lions for Lambs** B128 P148
10 The Conspirator* 🤔B127 P202
12 The Company You Keep**B140 P123

Movies scored - 37
Box office sum - 1686
Popular sum - 2467

Box avg rank - 45.57 (37/142)
Pop avg rank - 66.68

BA-PA = -21.11

Box top 20 - 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎
Pop top 20 - 🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥

Best box - Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1)
Worst box - The Clearing (160)
Best pop - The Sting (2)
Worst pop - The Conspirator (202)

Pop winner- An Unfinished Life (+70)
Pop Loser - Legal Eagels (-122)

Pop vs Box awards

🎖️🥇
🗽
💣🍅🍄

It is natural for a movie to have a higher popular ranking given the influx of art house, international and straight to video releases. Popular ranking are taken from IMDb and is fluid. Most box office data is taken from The Numbers website (domestic).

Scoring

(B-P)

10+ = excellent
-9 to 9 = good
-10 to -29 = avg
-30 to -49 = poor
-50 and below = very poor

Example

Indecent Proposal B6 P35 = -24
Avg

Excellent (10pts each) = 3
Good (5pts each) = 12
Avg (0pts each) = 10
Poor (-5pts each) = 3
Very poor (-10pts each) = 8
Pop top 20 bonus (5pts each) = 8

+30+60-15-80+40

Mr. Redford's pop/box library score

35

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Take your hieroglyphs elsewhere!

[–] Redsfan001 (6013) 3 years ago

🍅

[–] huwdj (4562) 3 years ago

A couple of his film I really liked have slipped down the ratings - I wonder if they'll be rediscovered or further forgotten. I suspect there is a window when otherwise good films just look dated and after this passes they show in a better light. At the moment I think this window hovers over films of the 90s - 00s and some of the older films may be due for greater appreciation. We shall see.

[–] Redsfan001 (6013) 3 years ago

Interesting theory.

I have found that the "avg" film will fall in popularity ranking about 15-30 slots due to the influx of art house/ international/straight to video movies.

Also I found (no suprise really) that there is a strong bias for viewing the actor in their young man years (20-40), much more pronounced in the popular rankings.

Interesting in this list is Redford only did 4 movies in the 1980's.

[–] huwdj (4562) 3 years ago

I call this theory The Window Of Naffness. It trails along behind each of us, starts approximately 10 years ago is around 20 years long - and is very highly subjective. Anything that once seemed particularly stylish, cloths, actors, film making tropes, etc, can drop in to this window and for a period of time seem unwatchable. Eventually tastes change and some things are remembered and revived - others of lesser quality, or perhaps unlucky, are virtually forgotten.

[–] Redsfan001 (6013) 3 years ago

I like it!

I think also that cable and other media that show movies already know which ones will bring ratings. It can be self re-enforcing not to show more obscure movies. Like Legal Eagles (86)..not a real great movie, but not horrible either, it's drop off is baffeling. So the more obscure the movie becomes to the new generations..the less likely cable/Netflix/media will feature or carry it.

[–] Redsfan001 (6013) 2 years ago

Card updated 9/8/22

[–] Redsfan001 (6013) 3 months ago

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