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☝️ Pop vs. Box πŸ‘‡ '60 - '00


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Key -

B - box office rank for year
P - current popular rank for year
πŸ’£ - popular loser top list
πŸ„ - 2nd place popular loser for year
πŸ₯œ - 3rd place popular loser for year
πŸ€” - most obscure
* - final film

(#/125) - rank amongst 125 actors

Note - Mr. Matthau's work prior to '60 has no box data and has been included in reply.

60 Strangers When We Meet - nd
62 Lonely Are the Brave - no data
62 Who's Got the Action? B21 P223
63 Charade B10 P7
63 Island of Love - nd
64 Ensign Pulver - no data
64 Fail Safe - no data
64 Goodbye Charlie - no data
65 Mirage B22 P55
66 The Fortune Cookie B22 P35
67 A Guide for the Married Man - nd
68 The Odd Couple πŸ’£ B3 P27
68 The Secret Life of an American Wife -nd
68 Candy B15 P24
69 Cactus Flower B8 P43
69 Hello, Dolly B4 P10
71 A New Leaf - no data
71 Plaza Suite B36 P125
71 Kotch B39 P266
72 Pete "n" Tillie B18 P153
73 Charley Varrick - no data
73 The Laughing Policeman B48 P107
74 The Taking of Pelham... B34 P22
74 Earthquake B5 P36
74 The Front Page B26 P74
75 The Sunshine Boys - no data
76 The Bad News Bears B10 P3
78 Casey's Shadow - no data
78 House Calls πŸ„ B12 P210
78 California Suite πŸ’£ B10 P88
80 Little Miss Maker B65 P214
80 Hopscotch B51 P106
81 First Monday in October - nd
81 Buddy Buddy B77 P157
82 I Ought to Be in Pictures B72 P202
83 The Survivors B54 P99
85 Movers & ShakersπŸ€” B166 P358
86 Pirates - no data
88 The Couch Trip πŸ₯œ B82 P250
88 The Little Devil - no data
91 JFK B17 P20
93 Dennis the Menace B25 P17
93 Grumpy Old Men B15 P60
94 I.Q. πŸ₯œ B53 P149
95 The Grass Harp - no data
85 Grumpier Old Men B20 P66
96 I'm Not Rappoport - no data
97 Out to Sea B69 P133
98 The Odd Couple II B90 P178
00 Hanging Up* B68 P124

Movies scored - 33
Box sum -1272
Pop sum - 3641

Box avg rank - 38.54 (25/125)
Pop avg rank - 110.33

BA-PA = -71.79

Box top 20 - ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
Pop top 20 - πŸ₯ πŸ₯ πŸ₯ πŸ₯ πŸ₯ 

Best box - The Odd Couple (3)
Worst box - Movers & Shakers (166)
Best pop - The Bad News Bears (3)
Worst pop - Movers & Shakers (358)

Pop gainer - The Taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3 (+12)
Pop loser - Kotch (-237)

Pop vs. Box awards

πŸ’£πŸ’£
πŸ„
πŸ₯œπŸ₯œ

It is natural for popular rankings to be higher due to the influx of art house, international and straight to video releases.

Scoring b-p

10+ = excellent
9 to -9 = good
-10 to -29 = avg
-30 to -49 = poor
-50 and below = very poor

Example

The Fortune Cookie B22 P35 = -13(avg)

Tally

Excellent (10pts each) = 1
Good (5pts each) = 6
Average (0pts each) = 2
Poor (-5pts each) = 7
Very poor (-10 pts each) = 17
Pop top 20 bonus (5pts each) = 6

+10,+30,-35,-170,+30

Mr. Matthau's pop/box score

-135

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Movies no box data

55 The Kentuckian
55 The Indian Fighter
56 Bigger Than Life
57 A Face in the Crowd
57 Slaughter on Tenth Avenue
58 King Creole
58 Voice in the Mirror
58 Ride a Crooked Trail
58 Onionhead
59 Gangster Story

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Brutally low score for a character actor star who could do comedy, hard drama and even romance. Though I have to admit it's been a while since I watched one of his films - probably something I should rectify.

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Yeah..had a hard time giving him a record low score ...one of my favorite actors.

Comedy for some reason generally loses popularity over time.

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Free movies on YouTube

Movers and Shakers (85)

https://youtu.be/oepvXBQWveI

Pete "n" Tillie (72)

https://youtu.be/JES1JQMODFU

Hopscotch (80)

https://youtu.be/koC8LjGlhs4

Who's Got the Action? (62)

https://youtu.be/zGEDyvL7ti8

Charade (63)

https://youtu.be/oH_4WguANB4

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Vote count/rank data

Total vote count - all movies listed:

760,000

Avg vote count per movie:

15,200

Avg vote rank per movie in year:

123rd

Movies in top 20 vote rank:

🎭🎭🎭🎭🎭🎭

Top 5 (# of votes)

1. J.F.K. 159,270
2. Charade 79,596
3. Dennis the Menace 62,445 (37th)
4. Grumpy Old Men 50,758 (52nd)
5. The Odd Couple 36,712

Top 5 (vote rank for year)

1. Charade (6th)
2. J.F.K (9th)
3. (tie) The Odd Couple (12th)
3. (tie) The Taking of Pelham 1,2,3 (12th)(32k)
5. Fail Safe (13th) (23k)

Bottom 5 (# of votes)

1. The Secret Life of an American Wife 204
2. Island of Love 281
3. Who's Got the Action? 404
4. Movers & Shakers 565
5. Casey's Shadow 654

Bottom 5 (vote rank for year)

1. The Secret Life of an American Wife (487th)
2. Movers & Shakers (369th)
3. I'm Not Rapport (342nd) (2k)
4. Island of Love (312nd)
5. Casey's Shadow (269th)

...and the rest

Strangers When We Met 2k/58th
Lonely Are the Brave 9k/34th
Ensign Pulver 2k/149th
Goodbye Charlie 2k/137th
Mirage 5k/57th
The Fortune Cookie 15k/23rd
A Guide/Married Man 3k/90th
Candy 3k/76th
Cactus Flower 11k/22nd
Hello Dolly 16k/16th
A New Leaf 7k/54th
Plaza Suite 3k/120th
Kotch 2k/205th
Pete 'n' Tillie 1k/238th
Charlie Varrick 13k/41st
The Laughing Policeman 3k/106th
Earthquake 17k/26th
The Front Page 14k/29th
The Sunshine Boys 6k/52nd
The Bad News Bears 23k/22nd
House Calls 2k/146th
California Suite 8k/55th
Little Miss Maker 2k/202nd
Hopscotch 8k/75th
First Monday in October 2k/208th
Buddy Buddy 5k/110th
I Ought to be in Pictures 1k/244th
The Survivors 5k/99th
Pirates 9k/99th
The Couch Trip 5k/160th
The Little Devil 4k/191st
I.Q. 26k/72nd
The Grass Harp 18k/117th
Grumpier Old Men 28k/97th
Out to Sea 9k/171st
The Odd Couple II 10k/172nd
Hanging Up 13k/172nd

Date posted 2/6/23

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