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Why can't he just joke about cancel culture?


Firstly, I can see why he's mad at how Fawlty Towers got cancelled (before being reinstated). Still I remember he didn't seem bothered about all these accusations of blasphemy levelled at The Life of Brian. He just joked that for for the first time in centuries, Monty Python brought all these denominations together for a change. But fast-forward 30-40 years later, he looks like he's biting into a lemon when he gets started on cancel culture.

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Because being accused of upsetting the Christian Church, as a young(ish) firebrand is a compliment.

Being accused at an older age of being an out-of-touch reactionary 'old fogey' is much less flattering.

A lot of people take more umbrage at being criticised, whether it's a genuine criticism or only an apparent one, from the left rather than the right, because most people in the public eye like to believe they're fundamentally decent, progressive, open-minded liberals

That's why you tend to see more anger aimed at left-wing anti-Semites than you do at right-wing ones (despite the fact that it's right-wing anti-Semites who have the most shameful history of actually murdering Jewish people) and why people like Graham Linehan have gone off to the deep end in order to 'prove' that they're not a bigot and their 'jokes' about trans people weren't offensive and mean, but in fact 'righteous'.

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Because there's no such thing as cancel culture. You can't joke about what doesn't exist.

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I don't entirely agree.

You can argue that few people have been *literally* cancelled as a result of terrible behaviour (and the handful who have effectively 'disappeared' would have done so in any era, because they committed serious criminal acts, like, say, Cosby, Weinstein and R Kelly), but clearly there is an effort on the part of many people on social media, particularly Twitter, to get people sacked, non-platformed and boycotted, on account of things they've said and done.

I'm not even suggesting that these people are necessarily wrong. Some people are beyond the pale, and it's the right of any individual to make their case, and argue why a certain offending individual should lose their job (that's, ironically, the very *free speech* some parts of the political right are suggesting 'woke' people and SJWs are against). Even before he was arrested for sex trafficking and rape, I'd have liked to have seen Andrew Tate, for instance, effectively 'cancelled' with respect to all media, in view of the extremely toxic an pernicious impact he has on many young men (although this is where my line may be different to others; I don't think people should simply be cancelled for causing offence as hurtful as it may be, it's when their speech actually has the power to corrupt and indoctrinate others where they become a genuine problem).

However, I think it would be insincere to suggest that 'cancel culture', to the extent that some people aren't trying to get others effectively 'cancelled' (whether or not their attempts *actually* succeed), "doesn't exist".

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Because there's no such thing as cancel culture. You can't joke about what doesn't exist.


Oh so it's the same as white privilege you mean?

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Is English your first language or something? Or are you incapable of holding attention for more than a few seconds?

Try to keep up.

John Cleese was able to joke about the backlash regarding The Life of Brian, because religion is real, as well as all the sensitivities around religion.

But cancel culture is not a real thing. If John Cleese, Dave Chappelle and all these other idiot comics are being "canceled", how come we hear them all day, every day? How can be people be "canceled" if we hear them 24/7, and even more than actual politicians and other public figures?

He's now getting a reboot of a decades old TV show, but there's "cancel culture"? Where?

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Are you able to entertain multiple thoughts or ideas at once or does your brain only work a single function at a time? You said cancel culture isn't a real thing. So it's not a real thing like white privilege then, gotcha.

Try and keep up, I'm using a thing called an comparison. I'm assuming you have internet and have the ability to search online as you successfully managed to post on a forum. You can look it up if you don't understand what it means.

Considering Asians statistically do better than white people by all metrics in education and earnings I thought it was already obvious that white privilege is nothing but a myth similar to the gender wage gap.

But white privilege is not a real thing. How can "white privilege" be a thing when Asians outearn whites even in predominantly white countries?

Asians outperforming whites in their own societies but there's "white privilege"? Where?

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Religious nuts whinging about "The Life of Brian" didn't have any effect on anyone, or on culture in general. In great contrast, the very real cancel culture of woke imbeciles affects individuals and has a detrimental impact on art, people's livelihoods, and society.

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