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Its like What Happened Between "Batman" (1989) and "The Two Jakes" (1990)


Back in 1989, after many talks and negotiations to bring him in, Jack Nicholson appeared as the Joker in the first major "Batman" movie and found himself in a giant grossing summer blockbuster that brought him at least $60 million in personal income off of acting AND toy income.

So he was a giant superstar(again) and millions of people lined up to see him.

The very next summer -- 1990 -- saw Nicholson return to his role as detective Jake Gittes from Chinatown in a sequel called "The Two Jakes." Nicholson, high on his Batman fame, even DIRECTED The Two Jakes.

And it was a big flop. EVERYBODY went to see Jack in Batman, NOBODY went to see Jack in The Two Jakes.

Which illustrates a rule: in the land of box office success and possible classic status, "its the movie not the movie star" that makes the difference.

So LAST summer, Ryan Gosling was in Barbie and Emily Blunt was in Oppenheimer, and both movies combined as the phenonmenon 'Barbenheimer," and both movies made over a billion dollars(Barbie made more and there was some discussion that Oppenheimer drew Barbie fans wanting to make sure to see BOTH movies.)

So the idea of the star of Barbie(Ryan Gosling) AND the star of Oppenheimer(Emily Blunt) TOGETHER in a movie...well it just HAD to be as big as "Barbenheimer," right?

Ask Jack Nicholson.

It doesn't look like The Fall Guy will be the flop that The Two Jakes was, but the concept is the same:

"The movie, not the movie star."

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....that actually makes sense.

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I was probably the only person that saw “The Two Jakes” at the movie theater.

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I was probably the only person that saw “The Two Jakes” at the movie theater.

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I did, too. I see a lot of movies so when I often write about flops "nobody went to see it," I am being "symbolic." I went to see it.




Nicholson rather managed to disappoint in THREE ways with The Two Jakes

Not as big a hit as Batman
Not a classic like Chinatown
Nicholson not as good a director as Polanski.

Still, on its own terms, I liked The Big Jakes....Nicholson (though much more portly than in Chinatown) was good, Harvey Keitel was good, it was good to see the Hispanic cop from the original back -- older , and his character having lost an arm in WWII. The idea that WWII happened between Chinatown and The Two Jakes really impacted the characters.

And I thought the one scene was funny/sexy where portly ol' Jack was STILL invited to have sex with a crazed woman right there on his office floor -- and took the offer after taking a sip of water from his water cooler paper cup to "prep for the bout."

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Also in each of these cases, the previous movies did not have the word 'The' in the title, but the next year's movie did.

So maybe when an actor is in a big hit movie, their next film should not have the word 'The' in the title.

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Also in each of these cases, the previous movies did not have the word 'The' in the title, but the next year's movie did.

So maybe when an actor is in a big hit movie, their next film should not have the word 'The' in the title.

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Exactly!

And I can refine that:

One word titles:

Batman
Oppenheimer
Barbie

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Three word titles:

The Two Jakes
The Fall Guy

indeed, do not the three-word titles share the word "The" AND grammatical structure? The ...Fall...Guy....The ...Two ...Jakes.

What is that grammar police? A predicate followed by an adjective followed by a noun? (I just made that up.)

Back to one-word titles

The famous old director Alfred Hitchcock TRIED to use one word titles all the time:

Rebecca
Suspicion
Spellbound
Notorious
Rope
Vertigo
Psycho
Topaz
Frenzy

...worked for him!

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Emily Blunt star of Oppenheimer?

People probably don't even remember she was there.

The star of Oppenheimer was Nolan.
After Nolan, it was Cillian Murphy and Rob Downey.

Some would even say Matt Damon and Florence Pugh were more of a star than Emily Blunt in that movie.

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I suppose, but Emily Blunt was Oscar nominated for her role(Supporting Actress.)

And..at the Oscars they had Gosling and Blunt present together kind of setting up the "Barbenheimer couple" to promote The Fall Guy....

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I didn’t even know who Emily Blunt was until about seven days ago when I was taking a colossal dump and suddenly realized that I was an alcoholic, just like that chick in the atom bomb fuck fest from last summer. I looked her up because I wanted to see if she’d attend an AA meeting and then possibly sex me, but it turns out she’s just an actress, and the whole alcoholic thing was just part of her movie role. Long story short, her name was (and presumably still is) Emily Blunt.

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I saw Two Jakes before I even saw Chinatown. It was just some dumb movie to me.

We love Jack but he's not a box off office draw. He's, "oooo, Jack Nicholson is in this too? Awesome."

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I can see the logic behind this. These big budget movies do take time to put together, though. I think it might be more that they were expecting big things from those upcoming movies and made their decision based on that.

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I can see the logic behind this. These big budget movies do take time to put together, though. I think it might be more that they were expecting big things from those upcoming movies and made their decision based on that.

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"Planning ahead" in the movie business based on several upcoming movies is a practice I have read about.

I offer this example even if it may not be readily apparent at first.

The script for "Taxi Driver" was kicking around Hollywood for awhile. It was initially set up with the intention of JEFF BRIDGES playing the taxi driver(!), with, evidently, less lurid and horrific a story. But down the road apiece, Martin Scorsese got the script and he wanted Robert DeNiro -- then very young and "untried" beyond Scorsese's own "Mean Streets" and a movie called "Bang the Drum Slowly."

DeNiro had gotten his "Young Vito role" in Godfather II and Scorsese and his producers hatched a plan: keep Columbia interested in making "Taxi Driver" but WAIT until Godfather II(expected to be a huge hit) came out and Robert DeNiro "would get famous." It worked with a big surprise: not only did DeNiro get famous, but he won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for GII.

So NOW Taxi Driver had a new bankable star in DeNiro.

Something of the same thing here? Fore-knowledge that Barbie and Oppenheimer would up the stardom of Gosling and Blunt?

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