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It could be referring either to her time filming on Hurry Sundown where the entire cast was receiving threats from the KKK for filming in on location the Louisiana area or the fact that her ICP Campaign events met with a lot of counterprotests from the Klan, which she states here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pq6G5bS8Yk (marked 1:25)
I'm not even saying it's necessarily a bad thing that she's been so outspoken over the last fifty something years that she's made enemies I just find it interesting because at least with Kanye, Elon or Roseanne there's multiple compilations out there listing the number of people or organizations they've got into it with and why it happened but with Jane Fonda there's nothing like that out there
Even compared to other celebrities on that site with similar beef count lists that's a pretty high number tho - Her list count is higher than Roseanne Barr, Rosie O'Donell, Kathy Griffin, Ted Nugent, Kanye, and Elon Musk - although not as many as Donald Trump which isn't saying very much
I can't really control whether people choose to prefer the remake to the original, but the push by fans of the film to get people to agree that the remake is superior - and by extension to call those who disagree racist - just comes off as over the top and a little forced to me.
I will say that Arianna DeBose was probably the best part of the remake and might even be better than Rita's own take on the character. Ironically, Rita's addition to the 2021 film's cast is the part I care least about (outside of Rachel Zegler - which don't even get me started). I might have been more appreciative about Rita's being included if she hadn't spent the last decade plus badmouthing Natalie Wood - who not only is no longer alive to defend herself but from what I can tell never said anything negative about Rita.
Also, the claim that the remake follows the stage play more closely is a flawed argument from the jump - if this were true the film's "America" number wouldn't be between the Sharks and their girlfriends but would have been exclusively among the women (which tbh always made more sense to me anyway - it's less believable that all the men/women would share the exact same viewpoint). It definitely takes way more cues from the 1961 version than people care to admit. But, then on the opposite side of the coin, other elements of the original stage musical were changed that are almost inexplicable (Tony's background, the Doc gender swap, etc.)
At the end of the day, if people came away thinking they were part of something special, and if the fan following for the remake gets more people to check out the original, I'd say it's a net positive. But the fact that there's still even a debate about which is superior now over 60 years out says something, as does the fact that it has continued to turn up on lists of the greatest American movies ever made (at least of the 20th Century which is very much a done deal). I'd like to see where the 2021 turns up in -say -2098 or 3007
"Charlie Goes to Juvenile Hall?" That sounds like a Roald Dahl parody! Lol @ Charlie if he got sent to Juvenile Hall in Chicago. 99% sure he'd beg to be back at that bougie suburb school getting lightly taunted occasionally lmao
Johnny was pretty keen to get nude in those days between The Naked Ape, Great Dynamite Chase, and - practically - Indian Paint. He was apparently a member of the American Sunbathing Association back in the day and frequented the Ponderosa Ranch in Texas when it was still open. I think I read somewhere he was one of the first celebrities to be open about being a naturist
Yes but Blanche and Rose become nuns! It's perfect!
The side plot was equally dumb tbh and was further proof that Dorothy tolerated Sophia's nonsense way more than I or alot of other people ever could. In addition to the fact that she walked off of a nationwide commercial that was gonna pay hella $$ because she hadn't even bothered to taste the pizza until that very moment (and that she didn't mind that her own daughter got demoted in said commercial) it's strongly implied that the reason Dorothy sucked so badly during filming was because she had been stayed up to get Rose through the withdrawal the night prior (she mentions having to get up early the following morning for the commercial and very clearly stays awake until dawn) - a plot device that only even happened because Sophia knocked the pills into the sink and didn't mention it until it was too late in the first place smdh
Audios a little out of sync though, otherwise a good watch lol
BTW Gordon Scott Tarzan vs. Mike Henry Tarzan who would win lol
Yeah here's the link again: https://www.tokyvideo.com/video/tarzan-and-the-jungle-boy-1968
Good watch
You're probably right on that lol - can we agree he was better than Ron Ely?
Mike Henry was THE ultimate Tarzan. We were cheated out of an entire series with him (Ron Ely was fine but he's no Mike Henry)
Suspension of disbelief - just like with Tarzan himself, kid is just raised by the animals - in this case a leopard and a chimpanzee. Although he seems to have some minimal contact with members of the tribe in the forbidden jungle, which makes a person wonder why he's so starved for human contact that he'd act the way he does around Tarzan. Again to watch their scenes in the film itself its male bonding basically - and done in a jungle Tarzan's been forbidden to enter at that lol
No what happened was Aliza Gur is a photojournalist trying to find the kid and bring him back to the states after finding an image of the kid in aerial shots she was doing of the area (apparently the father's body had been found years earlier). She basically nags Tarzan into guiding her and her partner through the jungle and he relents until he learns Eric is in a forbidden part of the jungle. He tells her not to follow and that he'll go alone but she refuses to listen and follows him and gets half of the search party killed in the process. Tarzan comes across Eric and male bonding ensues and that's pretty much the extent of their relationship aside from resolving the plotline of the two feuding tribal brothers. Mike Henry and Steve Bond had pretty good chemistry though so its a shame they didn't squeeze at least a couple more films out of them
Again I think the only reason I see it through that lens is because of the Airplane joke - if you watch the scene you'll see what I mean. Kind of like parody displacement or something or tainted perception. They just come off as similar - mind you this convo takes place directly after he and the kid engage in like male bonding - Again harmless at the time
That was the Johnny Weismuller version with Johnny Sheffield in the old 1930's/40's Tarzan films-- The Mike Henry version called him by his real name because he was sent into find the kid and bring him back. There really is a scene that unintentionally sounds like it could have been parodied in Airplane with the "Joey do you like movies about gladiators" thing only it's after they get through swimming he seemingly out of nowhere asks the kid "Eric, have you ever been on a merry go round or a rollercoaster?" Which was being asked of the kid to convince him to come back to America to live as an ordinary kid but it unintentionally comes off as creepy by today's standards lol
Oh should Eric have been so lucky to have been raised by Tarzan lol - he even asks Tarzan "will you stay with me" and Tarzan tells him he should go back to civilization. I'd be like hell nah I'm going with you LOL
Yeah, I had a separate thread about it he seemed like he was in good shape but not that nimble to do a flip like that, especially considering he was apparently sick for most of the filming.
https://www.tokyvideo.com/video/tarzan-and-the-jungle-boy-1968 (at 1:17:57)
If it's really him that's damn impressive lol
I think the OP was probably just trying to make some kind of weird joke I doubt it was meant to be serious -- I think at the time it would have been completely innocent but nowadays I doubt they would have done it this way. It's male bonding basically. But, even the title of the movie sounds risque by today's standards tbh
BTW while we're on the subject if you watched the movie, was that really Mike Henry who did the frontward somersault into the water or was that a stunt double
I think it falls into what TV Tropes might call "Memetic Molester" territory. There was kind of an "Eric, do you like movies about gladiators?" feel to it. An IMDB review even lampshades it a little:
" You'd think that Tarzan would have to slowly win the boy's trust and perhaps even "tame" him and establish his position as the alpha male. But no. Within minutes of first meeting man and boy are happily laughing and playing together in a lake. It's as if they have known each other for years. Eric is completely comfortable being held in Tarzan mighty arms. Keep in mind both man and boy are practically naked. After climbing out of the lake Eric admits that he has been lonely and wishes he had someone to talk with at night. He asks Tarzan to stay with him and keep him company. Geez this kid is probably safer in the jungle then he would be in any big city. Someone seriously needs to sit this kid down and explain to him that he needs to be careful around strange men dressed in loincloths!"
A lot of it just comes down to the writing, I think... I think the review is spot on that it would have better served both if their relationship was more gradually developed over time