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I was going to put Shane on my list, but you have it here. Good one.
For me, it's when WW sees Murron smiling at him while he's on the rack being quartered.
1. Harrison Ford https://moviechat.org/nm0000148/Harrison-Ford
2. Walt Disney https://moviechat.org/nm0000370/Walt-Disney
3. Bill Murray: https://moviechat.org/nm0000195/Bill-Murray
4. Ronald Reagan - https://moviechat.org/nm0001654/Ronald-Reagan
5. Hillary Clinton https://moviechat.org/nm0166921/Hillary-Clinton
6. Gillian Anderson https://moviechat.org/nm0000096/Gillian-Anderson
Thank you!
Well-said. For me, if that scene had any other music, it wouldn't be the same scene. The music opens the spigot on the waterworks of my eyes.
Also, the scene and its message/theme holds new personal significance for me as of about a week ago. I'm going to have to go the distance on a personal matter. Movies like Rocky are dress rehearsals for life.
The TV adaptation for The Ink Black Heart began filming this week in London. The Strike fandom is all abuzz. It has been confirmed that Robin's hair has returned to the trademark red gold! Here's an X post from the first day of filming. https://twitter.com/RGalbraith/status/1757812077140246550
Side note: I think Tom Burke looks heavier in the face on purpose because as the books progress, he loses weight. That will have to be demonstrated somehow. Maybe this is how. Speculation, though.
Another side note: It's not lost on the fandom that the tweet above was released at 12:01 AM on Valentine's Day. <3
Rocky (1976) -- The whole last 5 minutes, but really the movie as a whole. No other movie has more heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G40ji3nWHi0
Rocky II (1979) -- "...except for my kid being born...." https://youtu.be/ai-bBhw_XZo?t=38
The Manchurian Candidate (1962) -- the assassination scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwfFWXUEyfQ
Babe (1995) -- "That'll do, pig" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zHmeTeLgMY
Shakespeare in Love (1998) -- "Goodbye, my love. A thousand times goodbye" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrxIR2uja8w
Quantum of Solace (2008) -- Bond in Vesper's boyfriend's apartment. Not an expected choice maybe, but it makes me emotional. You can see Bond's rage and grief coming through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDsomYdPvTA
Life is Beautiful (1997) -- The final play of the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-13ScnosXAk
Cast Away (2000) -- "I always knew you were alive...." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYRnHQjuUA
The King's Speech (2010) -- The big speech. This scene never fails to reduce me to sobs. It is one of the most intense cinematically-induced emotional storms I've ever witnessed. It rivals any action movie for that on-the-edge-of-your-seat quality. I saw it in the theater three times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPLIw64rLJc
I'll probably think of more, but this is my definitive list.
1. Christopher Walken https://moviechat.org/nm0000686/Christopher-Walken
2. Howard Stern https://moviechat.org/nm0001769/Howard-Stern
3. Martin Scorsese https://moviechat.org/nm0000217/Martin-Scorsese
4. Don Rickles https://moviechat.org/nm0725543/Don-Rickles
5. Fran Drescher - https://moviechat.org/nm0000376/Fran-Drescher
6. The Donald https://moviechat.org/nm0874339/Donald-Trump
7. Ethel Merman - https://moviechat.org/nm0581062
8. Tony Bennett https://moviechat.org/nm0004746/Tony-Bennett
9. Barbara Bach - https://moviechat.org/nm0000819/Barbara-Bach
10. Cyndi Lauper - https://moviechat.org/nm0490980/Cyndi-Lauper
It's a good point you make that Perez kind of sucked all of the oxygen out of the series away from other characters. I found the story line with his daughter to never really make much sense plot wise. She was kind of just there I guess to prove he had a loving marriage and family life before his wife died.
I have always joked that the British detective series would end full stop if they couldn't pull the CCTV footage to solve cases. Of course anything set prior to CCTV is exempt. I think always relying on the CCTV can stifle creativity in the characterization and plot.
I agree about Sandy. I think he's underutilized. I thought they were going in a better direction with him a few seasons ago when he didn't seem as much the squeaky clean cop who always makes the perfect choices.
1. The Lost City (2022)
2. Tarzan and His Mate (1934)
3. The Jungle Book (1967)
4. The Lost City of Z (2017)
5. The African Queen (1951
6. Cannibal Holocaust (80)
7. Apocalypto (2006)
8. The Mission (1986)
That is a great thought about the role that Jergens could've played in II. I really wish we could've seen more of him.
Opposites do attract, and it sounds like you and your wife "fill gaps" for each other like Rocky and Adrian!
Yeah, the stilts columns are quite aggravating! I think we've mined this one out too, so we'll chat soon on another topic. Have a good night!
I saw Rocky IV for the first time at a spend-the-night party when I was in the 8th grade. The girl who had the party was a bully. I hated spend-the-night parties (my room and a good book thing), but I felt coerced into going or my life would be even more miserable with this girl. Somehow I got my sister to go with me. I guess for moral support.
So we watched Rocky IV, and I was swept away in all the patriotic USA vibe. I thought the training scenes in Russia were amazing, and then when Adrian showed up in her snow bunny outfit, I was hooked. But my good vibe about Rocky IV wasn't to last....
So the bully girl's mother was a bully too. Imagine that. After Rocky IV ended, bully mother proceeded to put all of us pre-teen girls (except her daughter of course) on trial for the person who committed the unspeakable crime of leaving the milk on the counter. Bully mother literally called us to the witness stand (living room chair) one-by-one and questioned us for HOURS while she paced back and forth across the living room. I mean she literally did this until like 3 AM. I really do think she wanted the guilty party to have a breakdown confession on the "stand." I mean Paul Newman in The Verdict had nothing on this woman. Looking back on it, I think she was either unstable or had delusions of grandeur about being a lawyer or both. Think of any movie of someone being let out of prison, and that's how I felt going to my mom's car the next day.
I have quite the contrarian views on education, but I will go ahead and tell you the best way to describe its current state -- HOT MESS. I'll be happy to dive more deeply into it all sometime! Thank you for your support of teachers (it's not the norm anymore) and thank your sisters for their contributions to education! And about not becoming a math teacher, you didn't make a mistake!
Yes, we have some fun conversations here! Thanks for taking the time to write such enjoyable, thoughtful, and informative posts! Have a great night!
Yeah, my dad was strict, but it was an equal 50/50 split between us not becoming one of Satan's minions and his wish to keep us out of his hair. It was the seen and not heard thing. He'd get mad at me and my sister if we made noise while getting along too well! LOL
But, in his defense, I never wanted to be out partying and cruising the roads in the night with friends. My room and a good book were all I needed in high school! I'm still that way!
I don't have any children myself, but I know through being a teacher that parenting is THE hardest job in the world. My hat is off to you, and I'm sure you are doing right by your boys with the balance you mentioned. They'll grow up to be good men.
I never realized that the steps scenes were filmed on either side of a sunrise. There has got to be some symbolism with that, although it was probably more about just being there and time passing while filming. I do think Rocky struggling before sunrise echoes the saying that says something like it's darkest before dawn. Then he breaks free of his struggle and makes it up to the top when light is breaking. I may be reading too much into it. I can see symbolism and allusions in just about anything. LOL
Do you have this? I do! I bought it used many years ago. I don't remember paying what it's going for now though.
https://www.abebooks.com/9780448144337/Official-Rocky-Scrapbook-Sylvester-Stallone-0448144336/plp
Yeah, I'm not keen on the movies outside of Rocky, but I haven't seen Lock Up. I'll put it on the to-watch list. I think Rocky II still captures some of the charm of the original. The ending of Rocky II puts some tears in my eyes just about as much as Rocky does. I really really loved Rocky IV back when I was a kid, but it hasn't stood the test of time like I and II do for me. I have a funny story about the first time I saw Rocky IV (not in the movie theater obviously), but it would destroy the character count. Another post!
To be continued....
Delta Burke and Dixie Carter. I'm sure I'll add more because I've come across many like this.
I didn't see movies either in childhood or my teen years. My dad didn't allow it, but I did commit the unpardonable in my early 20s and snuck off to see those evil films Sleepless in Seattle, The Lion King, and Forrest Gump! LOL
I didn't know that about Gazzo's inhaler and the asthma attack! I'm sorry he wasn't well at that moment, but little things like that add so much to a character. It reminds me of how much Le Chiffre's inhaler added to his character in Casino Royale, but his inhaler was in the novel and therefore intended in the movie.
A production tidbit -- did you know that Rocky was only the second movie ever to use Steadicam? They used it when he was running up the Art Museum steps.
Have you happened to come across that NBC special anywhere on YouTube or elsewhere?
I haven't, but I haven't been super focused on finding it either. I hope it's out there because I would like to see it again. You raise an excellent point about a 50th anniversary being very different this go around because so many of the actors have passed. It would be quite bittersweet.
I didn't know about the Joe Frazier story and Rocky! And what a great memory to have driven by his gym while you were in Philly! I remembered a Rocky related story from right around the time I saw the movie. We had a storage building in the backyard. I found a stack of Good Housekeeping magazines from the late 70s and early 80s in there one day. I would read anything when I was a kid, so while looking through one there was an article about Sylvester Stallone. It had to have been printed around either Rocky II or Rocky III. I took it to school to show a boy in my class who was also a Rocky fan and went around school talking like Rocky. I loaned him the magazine to read, but I never saw it again! He never returned it.
I always enjoy reading your posts, so no worries about being done! Have a good night, GnG!
The IMDb boards were nothing short of an archive to which some powers-that-be took a flamethrower. There were posts on there by people who worked on movie sets and had background tidbits that couldn't be had anywhere else. I was on there that Sunday afternoon in February 2017 when they started dismantling the boards. Everything was deleted backwards, so the earliest posts were the last to go. It still really bugs me how it all was taken away.
Good point about the relationship "facets." Rocky was operating in his own orbit for so long, but then that orbit suddenly got thrown onto a new path that brought him in contact with new people who completely changed his life. For the record, of the minor characters, Gazzo is my favorite. He sure does present himself as a multi-layered character to be a minor character. He's equal parts harsh and kind.
Have you heard that Burt Young and Talia Shire dated for a very brief time? Well, he claimed they dated. Also, I read that Bette Midler was offered the role of Adrian. And didn't they want Ryan O'Neal or Burt Reynolds to play Rocky before Stallone insisted he play the lead? Can you even imagine Bette and Ryan in this movie? I sure can't! Burt Reynolds might have been okay--keyword is might.
Do you think something will be done for the upcoming 50th anniversary? I remember a documentary airing on a Saturday night on I believe NBC for either the 20th or the 25th anniversary of the movie's release. It was a really great behind-the-scenes look. For instance, the scene in Rocky's apartment when he kisses Adrian, Talia Shire was very sick with the flu. That's why her eyes look so glassy.
Yes, maybe I can make it to Philly one day, but I doubt there will be very much running up the Art Museum's stairs! It looks like people have to train before they tackle that behemoth! LOL
It is indeed fun discussing all things Rocky! Have a great night, GnG!
1. Hobo with a Shotgun (2011)
2. Midnight Cowboy (1969)
3. Rocky (1976)
4. Precious (2009)
5. The Jerk (1979)
6. A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (1945)
7. Oliver! (1968)
8) coat of many colors '15
9. The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
Thank you, GnG, for reading my ramblings and being so complimentary! Chatting back and forth with you in these longer posts reminds me of the old days at the IMDb boards, may they rest in peace!
I love the "fill gaps" line too. That tells me Rocky knows neither of them are perfect, so he has his expectations in the right place.
Yes, Rocky is about to enter a new life. Adrian is too with him, but I think she's ready. She told him she loves him first, and the look of joy on her face and how she kept saying it over and over again proves how far she's come. Talk about coming out of a shell! What a transformation not only in looks but demeanor! By the way, I love how we can hear her still saying "I love you" for a little bit longer after the freeze frame ends the movie.
Paulie comes through in that final scene for her--finally! It took me forever to realize that he lifts the rope so she can slide into the ring more easily. I would love to think that was a 100% selfless act for his sister, but naaaah. LOL
I am amazed that Bill Conti was only in his early 30s when he composed the Rocky score! His board here is basically empty which is a tragedy! I've been playing the music too. "Going the Distance" is my favorite. I love how many of the notes echo the sounds of the boxing ring.
I loved your family stories! I'm jealous of your sister who saw the first two! My childhood piano teacher's daughter saw people standing and cheering in the theater when she watched Rocky IV. I would love to visit Philadelphia. The American Revolution era is one of my favorite historical times. I've been to Harrisburg, Lancaster County (to visit a college friend), and Pittsburgh (my dad worked there for several years). Maybe one day I'll make it to Philly.
By the way, you solved a mystery for me....there's a character limit it seems! I thought my keyboard was broken!
As always, it's been a pleasure, GnG! Have a great night!
GnG, I agree that Rocky is indeed one of the greatest movies ever made. I watched it for the first time in 1983 or 1984 at age 11-12, and even though I have watched many super movies since that I love, Rocky will always be the top for me. I wish I had been old enough to appreciate all of the buzz around it when it was first released.
It is a movie about life, and I'll add it's a very solid love story packaged in a sports movie. It's about people who are basically invisible within society getting a chance in life and in love. This may sound crazy, but I think it is modeled after the fairy tale formula. We've got Rocky going out to try to slay the giant (Apollo), we've got Adrian trapped in her role of spinster domesticity with Paulie who just needs a prince to blossom into a beautiful woman like Cinderella. Of course, no fairy tale is complete without the sage character who is older and wiser, and that's Mickey.
The music choices reached genius level. I think without that soundtrack, the movie wouldn't have become quite the icon it is today.
My favorite line from the whole movie is after the match when Adrian is making her way to the ring and loses her red hat. She sneaks into the ring and Rocky immediately notices her hat is missing even though his eyes are beaten to pulps and swollen. He asks her, "Where's your hat?" To me, that line right there is proof of what the movie is all about. Even after being on the world stage and reaching his goal of going the distance, his focus was on her. It's also another allusion to Cinderella because Adrian lost her hat like Cinderella lost her slipper. This scene along with that hard-driving score ending with the trumpets playing a bit more slowly makes it absolutely impossible for me to not cry every single time I see it!
The movie gods smiled down on this one. The story behind its making is the stuff of movie legends and almost like its own fairy tale!