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In a debate you either bring facts or you don't.
I only brought facts, not opinions. I usually try to keep bias out of what I say (I know it's close to impossible but still).
I usually try to get a bit educated about the topic and not just spew bullshit. I don't know everything about this conflict (obviously) but I do know a lot and about USSR/Russian history and tactics, comes with the territory
"You do not know US history" I bet I know it better than you. I bet you cannot name a territory that USA annexed in the last 150 years through invasion ...
But again: this is NOT about USA but about Russia.
Stick on the topic.
Again: yes, but there's a difference between "survival is the reason for war" and "I think Russia is doing the right thing and I support that war".
Guess what: Ukraine is fighting a war for survival as well. And it's a defensive war so you should start supporting them instead of supporting the bully, if that's your reasoning.
"Again when the US is not even more guilty of this then I will get involved in correcting other countries."
But here you are SUPPORTING the aggression by Russia.
Can you see it? Your dishonesty??
"What would you have had them do? Just go quietly into that good night? It's just not realistic."
There's a huge difference between understanding why Russia is going to war and SUPPORTING that war.
Do you understand it??
Do you support crime/murder when the criminal has no other choice?
There's always a choice.
Yes idiot, it's called "educated guess", "probable events", "etc". And I said "almost 100% a fact". I didn't say "a fact".
Read about the history of USSR. About the forced Russification of different areas, including Crimea (moving the Tatar population to Siberia and replacing it with Russians) and East Ukraine.
Maybe you will start to understand.
Educate yourself in those points.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification
And then understand that the rebellion IS Russian backed and orchestrated.
"Your feelings about me are not the topic here"
They are not feelings. I'm just telling you that what you present are lies.
Don't want that? Stop telling lies and propaganda.
" The way I try to approach it is when I'm perfect then I'll help you to become so as well, and many good men have found that it makes for not only a more honest life but a healthier one."
You are not perfect. And don't talk about honesty please when you don't provide it.
Yeah, but that doesn't change the FACT that they are the aggressor. That doesn't change the fact that Russia IS the bad guy.
And somehow that means that the attacked country should lie down and die??? Cease the land and do nothing???
Are you for real?
So a bully is justified to bully because he has self interests????
No, I'm NOT from US but I live now in the US.
I'm from an Eastern European country that used to be under the USSR boots so I know how it is to live with that threat so I'm a bit more than a simple US couch potato discussing things that he doesn't know about ... .
"I live in the US who on a global level willingly take the role of primary aggressor and top bully" - I disagree, as a non-US citizen, to this.
Have USA been involved in a lot of aggressive actions? Yes. But not invading other countries. And it's debatable how much is self interest or genuine good will.
Would you argue that letting ISIS taking control over Middle East would had been a good idea?
I mean we can take a look at all their actions in the last 100 years and see what's good and what's bad, but this is NOT about USA but about Russia.
Are you basically saying that Russia is ok to do shitty things because USA did some shitty things and you fight USA doing shitty things but support Russia doing shitty things??
WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP LOGIC IS THAT???
I already told you why:
Because Russia was threatened by the huge reserves of oil and natural gas discovered, surprise, in the Black Sea in the Crimean continental shores and in Donbas.
When were those discovered? Wait for it: in 2013. Rings a bell???
And while someone like you (a propagandist) would say "wait but those reserves are small compared to what Russia already has" the idea is simple:
Those reserves are enough to cover the natural gas needs of Europe for almost 10 years.
Ukraine already has the infrastructure in place to store and deliver the gas to Europe (the original pipeline from Russia still runs through Ukraine).
If Ukraine starts to exploit and deliver those resources to Europe then Russia is bankrupt. Russia and the gas oligarchs that support Putin. At least 20% of Russia's GDP comes from gas exports.
Russia CANNOT afford to allow Ukraine to exploit those resources. PERIOD.
And that's a fact.
As you said: think about it.
Russia doesn't care about those people but about controlling the resources and Crimea has a huge strategical role as well, beside the oil on the shores. And they need a land route to Crimea, not just the bridge.
Oh, fuck, the IRONY.
Of course. But really Indiana Jones ceases to be Indiana Jones after this movie. And that is almost 100% a fact.
Ford will not be able to make another one and Indiana without Indiana is NOT Indiana.
Ukraine was fighting back against the rebels and Russian forces that violated first the Minsk agreement. How does it sound to you?
And why was the Minsk accord signed? Because Russia was already involved with the separatists in the East Ukraine, basically starting the conflict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_war_in_Donbas_(2014)
Russia had troops in Ukraine BEFORE the Minsk accord.
"In response to the deteriorating situation, Russia abandoned its hybrid approach, and began a conventional invasion on 25 August 2014. On the following day, the Russian Defence Ministry said these soldiers had crossed the border "by accident". According to Nikolai Mitrokhin's estimates, by mid-August 2014 during the Battle of Ilovaisk, between 20,000 and 25,000 troops were fighting in the Donbas on the separatist side, and only 40-45% were "locals"."
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-what-are-the-minsk-agreements-and-why-they-could-help-avert-a-russian-invasion-12541427
Russia is the one that broke the Minsk agreement in the first place, they never redraw their troops out of Ukraine after the agreement.
"US and international officials continued to report the active presence of Russian military in eastern Ukraine, including in the Debaltseve area In 2015, Russian separatist forces were estimated to number around 36,000 troops (compared to 34,000 Ukrainian), of whom 8,500–10,000 were Russian soldiers. Additionally, around 1,000 GRU troops were operating in the area."
"In August 2016, the Ukrainian intelligence service, the SBU, published telephone intercepts from 2014 of Sergey Glazyev (Russian presidential adviser), Konstantin Zatulin, and other people in which they discussed covert funding of pro-Russian activists in Eastern Ukraine, the occupation of administration buildings and other actions that triggered the conflict. As early as February 2014, Glazyev gave direct instructions to various pro-Russian parties on how to take over local administration offices, what to do afterwards, how to formulate demands, and promised support from Russia, including "sending our guys"."
It's obvious that you are nothing but a propaganda tool. Stating the obvious facts is not "vilifying you". It's just ... stating the facts.
While all you have are jut lies.
He is old. He has to be replaced.
And I wouldn't mind indy being replaced by a woman but WTF? Not a buttfuck ugly antimale woman ... at least she's not obese ...
You mean like people with gender studies degrees that work at Mac Donald??
Of course you feel good about your lies and propaganda. I hope you're payed good to spread it. That's the only reason you used that term.
They are Ukrainian citizens, not Russian but if they identify to Russia they can move. Russia has no rights to invade Ukraine over them. If Russia wanted to help them they could have given them Russian citizenship and help them move over the border. That wasn't the plan, that was NEVER the plan.
That IS a fact.
My man, how old are you??
Were you even watching movies before 2011?? (When Hunger Games was released?)
Have you ever heard of Wonder Woman (NOT the new one)? Catwoman? Underworld? Evil Resident? Red Sonia? Xena? Charlie's Angels? Kill Bill? Tomb Raider? Salt? Buffy? Electra? Aeon Flux?
Does the name Cynthia Rothrock sound familiar? Michelle Yeoh? Pam Grier?
And yeah, Alien and Aliens count as a female led action movie. Plus you have Pvt Vasquez in Aliens that shits on all the men in the company without being a feminist.
https://goat.com.au/michelle-yeoh/the-80s-and-90s-were-a-golden-age-for-women-led-action-movies-and-were-about-to-have-another-one/
They start to believe their own lies. 1984 is today, it is now …
Wtf is true?
Are you that illiterate into cinema???
Right, only Russia is allowed to orchestrate anything in Ukraine’s political affairs or to invade it. Or any other country that they want to. Fucking idiot.
Are you all pro-Russian propagandists this stupid?