Buyer Beware


In episode 3, it is said that the buyer should beware, i.e. be cautious when buying Scientology's bill of goods.

Well, this needs to be said of all belief systems, religious and otherwise. Once you accept the basic principles, you must accept the consequences of those beliefs and expect the actions that naturally flow from their base tenets.

For example, followers of any religion should consider what it means if their church teaches:

1. Absolute authority of the church. Is criticism even tolerated?

2. Divine infallibility. Is it believed that the head of the organization is infallible? Others in authority?

3. Subservience of the individual to the whole. Is the church more important than its members?

4. Faith is more important than reason. Is reason suspect? Is it the enemy of faith or belief?

5. Children should be indoctrinated and/or the church has more authority as parent than the child's actual parents.

6. The inner workings of the church should be shrouded in secrecy.

7. You should be suspicious of those who have different beliefs. Or worse yet, you should avoid them.

Most religions tick off most of these principles. All are risky propositions.



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> Well, this needs to be said of all belief systems, religious and otherwise. Once you accept the basic principles, you must accept the consequences of those beliefs and expect the actions that naturally flow from their base tenets.

The thing is that these organizations don't tell you all of the rules upfront. They start you off with the good stuff like the humanitarian efforts and the spiritual enlightenment. And when you do break the rules, early on, they forgive you and gently try to correct you. It's only when you become vested in the group that the real rules are slowly revealed.

You are right; no one in their right mind would join up if they knew it would cost them a quarter of a million bucks, they'd be beaten regularly, and they'd be treated like a leper of they tried to leave.

That's the point of this series. Leah is trying to spread the word as to what this group is really like. If anyone joins after knowing all this, good for them.

I think the problem is that this group doesn't target smart people. They target the people that are lost and looking for something that is lacking in their lives. And, to a degree, they get what they need from the group; they have a huge extended family that seems supportive and they have goals in their lives. Many people need that.

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What Would Jesus Do For A Klondike Bar (WWJDFAKB)?

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Couldn't agree more. I have never heard of a church that didn't sound like a cult. Religion seems to prey on people looking for an answer, and it takes advantage.

When will life itself be enough for people? Science is all I need... it is fascinating, special, extraordinary.

I find it arrogant that people are so quick to assume their bible is any different than L Ron Hubbard's books of scientology. The bible was just written before you were around... it's just a misogynistic, racist, homophobic storybook... that at certain points reminds you that you should be nice. But it's so inconsistent... not sure how anyone can take it as gospel. Maybe they haven't actually read the full thing.

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Religions come and go. Every day there are new variations on belief systems and/or interpretations of existing religious texts. Some will last, some will not.

Interestingly enough, this is evolution at work. Survival of the fittest, where "fitness" is defined as those beliefs that appeal the most. Appeal is specific to the individual. Some people as basically masochists. Some see themselves as moralists or altruists. Still others love structure or a strong father figure. Here are hybrids of all of these. The point is that religions have diversified to offer a variety of products. This allows followers to choose the "truth" that appeals most to them.

I have never heard a theist say, "I hate this religion, but I must follow it, because I cannot deny the truth, no matter how much I dislike it."

There may be inconsistencies in the belief systems, but anyone who wants to believe can find something close to what they want. The appeal of such a "customized" system makes it rather difficult for a believer to linger on or get tripped up by the inconsistencies.

That being said, I believe that most people (regardless of their professed beliefs) realize the basic truths. They may say they prefer faith to reason, but inside they have to realize that it is reason that keeps them alive. To believe contrary to the experiences of your life may be chosen by people at their own peril. But they know when they are doing it. And they may try to ignore the inconsistencies when they are put directly in their path (say by you in a discussion), but inside they know the basic truths. Human brains are constructed that way. Still, it is possible for people to be "brainwashed." This is evident when people sacrifice themselves (or other things they value) for things of lesser value. The most extreme example is the suicide bomber. But we have all seen other examples at work. Leah's show provides numerous examples.

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I have never heard of a church that didn't sound like a cult.


You've not heard of many religions then.

Religion seems to prey on people looking for an answer,


That makes a much sense as saying you don't like going to a hospital because there are sick people there. If you don't work/volunteer at a hospital or go to visit someone there, why would you go to a hospital if you are feeling well?

Why would you join a religion if you are sure you have it all figured out?

and it takes advantage.


Some do, but it isn't exclusive to religions. Lots of companies take advantage of people under the guise of "helping" them. It is an unfortunate aspect of our lives.

When will life itself be enough for people? Science is all I need


I guess science isn't all you need, since you need to be taught to not judge people.

I find it arrogant that people are so quick to assume their bible is any different than L Ron Hubbard's books of scientology.


Hmmm, let's see. Both are available for people to read and only one of them doesn't force it's followers to keep following, isolates them from their family, was admitted to be written by a science fiction author who created his "religion" as a way to avoid paying taxes....

it's just a misogynistic, racist, homophobic storybook


That is your ignorance and bigotry shining through. Mary is worshiped in the Bible and many other women hold important roles in the Bible. And, this was during a time when most women in most societies weren't accepted as being important.

The Bible doesn't exclude any races. Where Christ taught was a cross-roads for travelers from Europe, Africa and Asia. He didn't say, "Just teach the Jews."

As far as homophobic goes, you are using the progressive "mentality" of today which says if we don't celebrate people being homosexual, then we are homophobic. The Bible says to hate the sin but love the sinner, and few today actually give a cr*p about people being homosexual - at least not until it is thrown in our face.

Personally, I thought it was stupid for the baker to not bake the wedding cake for the gay wedding. But, it was much, much worse for the government to force the baker to do so. We have a right to our religious beliefs as long as they don't specifically harm anyone else, and not baking a wedding cake when there are other bakers in the same town who will causes no one any harm.

Maybe they haven't actually read the full thing.


You most certainly haven't. All you've done is buy into the lies and half-truths which others have spewed so you can perpetuate the hatred.

Do yourself a favor. Contact a priest or minister (or both) and tell them you are interested in learning more about Christianity. You don't expect to become a believer, but you'd like to learn from an expert what is the truth about their religion and what are lies. Fear leads to hate; knowledge dispels fear.

Even if you don't do those things, learn this. Being Christian does NOT mean people are perfect. By definition people are imperfect, therefore we could never be perfect like Christ was. Being Christian means to try to be like Christ was. And, honestly, it is a struggle. It is difficult to try to balance providing for ourselves/family and giving of our time and talents to help the less fortunate. It can be difficult to want to help when you feel beaten down by life because of what you have to do for work, raising kids, dealing with an unhappy spouse, and then you see someone on assistance (living off of your tax dollars) pull up to the store in a newer car than yours.

It can be difficult to tell yourself, "Maybe their friend loaned them the car."

And, for the record, I don't care if you believe or not. Just don't be a douche-bag about it. Don't cr*p on people who believe because you don't believe. I also say the same thing in reverse to people who do believe.

But for sure, take an hour or two from your schedule and talk to a priest/minister.

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Yep. I can learn about Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. without paying a dime. These religions don't make you pay anything to access info, you can get a bible for free, etc. Also, I can question and or leave any of the aforementioned religions without being stalked, harassed, threatened, etc.

This isn't hard stuff, guys (and I'm not even religious).

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I agree with you, I don't know why people keep saying that all religions have the same principles as Scientology.

I have a big family, some of them go to different churchs, some of them are catholic, some of them evangelical Christians, one of my aunts is adventist, and we all gather to celebrate birthdays and holidays and live like a family, would that be possible if one or some of us was a scientologist?
Obviously not, that's the main point. I've visited two of those churches and I was never asked to save the world by paying expensive courses to get a high level of knowledge, you go there and hear their talk for free, bibles and the new testament are for free, you can get them anywhere, you ask one of those people ¿so what's the point? ¿who and what do you believe in? and they tell you right away, I was never chased and stalked because I stopped going, I never saw someone selling us books, courses and stuff, I was never forced to give them any money, not even a dollar. Even if a child is raised in a specific religion, I don't see mothers deserting their children because they don't like the church when they're older, some of them may be disappointed and angry, but to the point of "disconnecting" forever? No.

People that compares Scientology ways to any other religion is not seeing the main point: Scientology is not a religion so they cannot be compared.

Scientology is a big company, an empire, a corporation, not sure if they're even a cult (people in regular cults worship crazy stuff but they don't get billions for that). It's just not a religion.

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