Cultural Appropriation.


Black and Asian actors in a retelling of an ancient Norse myth?

Shove it!

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It has very little to do with the original anglo-saxon epic poem, but this very badly done thing is a 99% a modern fantasy tale which ignores the original and pinches a few names. It is totally irrelevant whether an actor is white, black or purple, it is bad 21st century fantasy set in a quasi medieval world.

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It's not irrelevant in a Norse epic. Could you have an all white cast in Genghis Kahn? or Zulu?

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I think fantasy is the key word , call me old fashioned .

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There were Black and Asian people in Northern Europe back then, read a book. You might want to look up the definition of the term "cultural appropriation", you're using it wrong.

Main problem I have with this show is that the tale is meant to be taking place in Southern Scandinavia, not in Northumberland.

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Back when? Pre-christian Denmark? Nope. There are black and arabs there right now, but 1200 years ago there were none.

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Yes, granted; the film "The 13th Warrior" is loosely based on what he wrote, but a black African as a Jarl??? Come on, that's stretching credulity a bit far!

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Ibn Fadlan was an ambassador to the Volga Bulgarians east of Moscow. He wrote about a trade camp of Rus (Swedish/finish river traders who became the power in what became RUSsia) that were trading with the Volga Bulgers. He never meet a viking

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The Rus WERE Vikings. Aside from river traders, they were also raiders. Then they spread south to become the Kievan Rus (As in Kiev, Ukraine) among other people.

..Joe

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Stop spouting lies. There were no Black or Asian people in Northern Europe. This is such a silly PC lie. In fact, you'd probably have trouble finding more than a handful of non-Caucasians in many of the countries of Medieval Europe. I'm from Transylvania, a region of Romania, in Eastern Europe. Even today, in the 21st century, I have not seen Black people anywhere. The first Black person I've ever seen in real life, and the only one, was an American basketball player that played for the local basketball team. That was it. And I've traveled most of Eastern Europe. No Black people anywhere, in the 21st century. Clearly, it's extremely unlikely to have anything other than Caucasians in medieval Scandinavia.

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'Stop spouting lies. There were no Black or Asian people in Northern Europe.'

You are telling lies yourself.

By the way Beowulf is a mythical series. I have never seen monsters in the 21st century. Unlike you I have seen black people, maybe you need to step out of your coffin!

It's that man again!!

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There were black and asian people in Northern Europe during the Roman times (earlier than when this is set.)

However, I do think this show is unrealistic. There's evidence that black soldiers from Roman legions stayed within Britain (no idea about Denmark, where this is set), but by the time where Beowulf's story is set, their descendents would be pretty white looking by that stage.

There was trade between Asia, Africa and Europe, so it's possible there were black and asian people due to trade and migration. But, if there were they would have been a tiny minority. Tiny.


Here's some proof of black people being in the UK, tried to find reputable sources:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/early_times/moors.htm
http://www.blackpresence.co.uk/black-romans/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1464209/Borders-folk-may-be-descended-from-Africans.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhistory/vikings/trade_and_exploration/

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You need to read my comment again. I said in medieval times. Not Roman times. I know the Romans had Black people among them. But even so, they were a tiny percentage of the population who most likely never had descendants and even if they did, their descendants would not be black. The vast majority of these Blacks would be found in southern Europe. The accounts of Black soldiers in Britain are irrelevant and just pandering to the moronic PC crowd. They were soldiers. Many of them would die. They had no black women, so many of them would have trouble finding a mate. The very few that would find a white woman willing to mate would them, would have half Caucasian children which again mate with Caucasians practically making the Black DNA in them tiny and irrelevant. But, the Moors were Arabs which meant they were Caucasian.

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There were black and asian people in the middle ages. They came over during the crusades. There were black and asian people in Elizabethan times because Queen Elizabeth remarked about the growth in numbers.

Then again you live in Transylvania and you have only met one black person in your life, what makes you such a big expert?

It's that man again!!

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What makes an expert? The fact that even today there are almost no Blacks in the much of Europe. Only in ghetto infested crapholes like Britain, France or Sweden there are lots of Blacks. It stands to reason then that if today, in an age when travel happens so easily, there are almost no Blacks, there would be even fewer in Medieval times. As an European with a deep cultural, medieval heritage, I know a lot about Medieval Europe. FFS, I grew up in a fortified building build 1009. More than 1000 years ago. Most people commenting here are clueless Americans that get their history from books and think that a house from a century ago is old.

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Haha, you're from Romania and you call Britain, France and Sweden ghetto infested crapholes?! Maybe you would be more credible if your own country wasn't the most backward craphole in the entire EU.

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Bahahahahah! You are another ignorant westerner that doesn't know anything about the real world. Romania is a complete and total paradise compared to those countries. First of all, it has an almost non-existent Muslim population. There are no third world immigrants here. There are no ghettos. There isn't any Islamic rape epidemic going on. Nobody is asking for Sharia Law in our country.

Furthermore, we have the lowest obesity rate in Europe. We have highly educated people. We're enjoying high standards of living. We have the fastest internet connections in Europe. We have the Black Sea, the Danube Delta, the Carpathian mountains and almost every other form of landscape imaginable. 29% of Romania's surface is covered with trees, compared to UK's measly 12%. We have the biggest gold reserves in Europe. Your bloody price Charles comes to Transylvania almost every year. Our country is breathtakingly beautiful.

There are many ways in which Romania is a great country. Sure, wages are small and people don't have much money. But the cost of living is also extremely cheap. You westerners probably have much more money but at least we aren't afraid to walk alone at night, we don't have Muslim neighborhoods, we aren't afraid of having a terrorist attack and our soldiers are not decapitated in the streets. The moment when Muslim terrorists shoot people in our theaters and streets, set bombs in our subways and buses and rape our women, I will concede that Romania is an inferior country to the UK, France or Sweden. Until then however, it is a haven of European harmony on a continent ripped to shreds by third world immigration.

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The combination of PC nonsense and lack of historical knowledge on these sites is absolutely OVERWHELMING. Beowulf is a fictional tale written somewhere between the 8th century and 11th century. It takes place in Northern Europe. THERE WERE NO BLACK PEOPLE OR ASIAN PEOPLE IN BEOWULF OR NORTHERN EUROPE AT THAT POINT. There....just....weren't....ANY. PERIOD. Nor are there any in the tale of Beowulf itself. Nor were there any bleeping female blacksmiths!!!!!

This show is another revolting piece of PC garbage whether it's including races or ethnic groups that SIMPLY WERE NOT THERE IN THE TIME PERIOD, or creating ludicrous fantasies of female blacksmiths that could not possibly exist as the village blacksmith was usually THE PHYSICALLY STRONGEST MAN IN THE VILLAGE. That's what it TAKES to be a blacksmith! Ordinary women could not physically DO this job - nor could most of them participate in battle either, another common 21st century PC feminist fantasy inserted into these stories.

I was looking forward to seeing another version of Beowulf, put this on for about half an hour and was so appalled by the PC nonsense, I changed the channel. Also, the mixing of uniforms and armor is ridiculous.

I just want to stick a stake through the heart of political correctness and see it die FOREVER. It's not about black people or Asians or females - it's about presenting historical untruths to further a political agenda, and it's not acceptable anymore.

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There were actually female blacksmith in different parts of the middle ages, but we have no evidence for it during 500-800. Later in the middle ages during the hundred years war they are more common, Juliet barker an historian an authour wrote about woman working in smithies during the 1415 english invasion of france by henry v in her book agincourt.

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How very true. Sad, but true.

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Thank you sir for being the voice of reason. Political correctness has run amok. At this point these PC people are revising history to suit their modern views. It's idiotic. I appreciate people that aren't racist or sexist, but that is today. In the past, the world was a completely different place and we can't change historical facts simply to suit an idiotic modern philosophy.

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But even so, they were a tiny percentage of the population who most likely never had descendants and even if they did, their descendants would not be black. (...)The very few that would find a white woman willing to mate would them, would have half Caucasian children which again mate with Caucasians practically making the Black DNA in them tiny and irrelevant.


And if you read my comment again, you will see that I said that.

I was challenging your comment which said:

There were no Black or Asian people in Northern Europe. This is such a silly PC lie.


You're so busy being angry with the 'PC crowd' and being passive-aggressively rude about black people, that you are saying generalisations which you know not to be true. It just weakens your argument.

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My generalizations are true. I'm not saying there was never a Black person in Northern Medieval Europe. I'm just saying that such a person would be so rare (compared to the Caucasians making up the 99% of the population) that it would be silly to place them in a TV show, as if they're representative of history. In fact, it's clear that the only reason people of other races are in the show is to fill the PC quota that every Western show has. And I'm passive aggressive towards Black people. You know a Black character well suited to a TV show? Oenomaus in Spartacus. I loved that guy. Cried when he died. That was a character well suited for the setting of ancient Rome. Medieval Scandinavia, not so much.

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Nordic cultures traded from around the world, but would be about as man asian or black people in northern europe at this time as would be in china or africa, sure were a very few here and there, but no tribes and they would be considered outcasts by most. This show is of pure fantasy who added other cultures and peoples to try to appeal to wider audience. Nothing historic about this show, is pure fiction, treat it as such.

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You are falsely conflating Berbers and Arabs with Sub Saharan ''Blacks''. Just because someone is from the continent of Africa does not make them black.

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They were all black until the Muslims started settling there and England colonized.

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No...there weren't. That is fantasy on YOUR part. There were as many Blacks and Asians in Scandinavian as there were Vikings in Zulu land in the Dark Ages. This is just crazy thinking - you folks are so race obsessed you try to inject political correctness in everything. It's a sickness.

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No, the problem is that you dislike anyone who isn't white and so you look for any excuse to complain about them.
Was Beowulf real? No
Is Heorot an actual place? No
Do monsters exist? No
Do dragons exist? No
Do we really have "shieldlands" between the lands of men and the lands of monsters? No
Is the story set in a specific place? No

This is a story set in a non-existent place, about non-existent people who interact with non-existent creatures. But, you complain that brown skinned people shouldn't exist in this wholly fictional place?


Thankfully the ranting about Britain etc., being "ghetto infested" is all that's needed to let people know the mentality that informs your nonsensical thinking.

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It now appears that you cant film any aspect of european history without including asian or black characters to appease the PC brigade.

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So in essence, you have no idea what this is about and you haven't watched it.
If you had, you'd know it isn't about history at all, European or otherwise.

But you carry on playing anti--anti-racism bingo, it seems to make you happy.

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I see your point; I do notice the 'diversity' and it is a bit fantastical but then again, so are those 'mudborns' trolls & skinshifters. It's a bit loopy but enjoyable. I treat it as a sequel 'inspired by the original', sort of like 'Outlander' (the movie with Jim Caviezel that is...)




Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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Bödvar Bjarki, meaning 'Warlike Little-Bear', is the hero appearing in tales of Hrólf Kraki in the Saga of Hrólf Kraki, in the Latin epitome to the lost Skjöldunga saga, and as Biarco in Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta Danorum. It is believed that he is the hero Beowulf in the Old English poem Beowulf were originally they same personage, Unlike Beowulf, Bödvar is said to have been Norwegian, which may be explained by the fact that his story was written by Icelandic authors who were mostly of Norwegian descent.
However, his brother was the king of Gautland and, like Beowulf, it was from Geatland that Bödvar arrived in Denmark. Moreover, upon arriving at the court of Denmark, he kills a monstrous beast that has been terrorizing the court at Yule for two years. Bödvar Bjarki also has a younger companion, Hjalti (Hialte) matching the Beowulf character Wiglaf. The monster in Hrólf Kraki's saga,however, is quite unlike the Grendel of Beowulf; but it does have characteristics of a more typical dragon, a creature which appears later in Beowulf. Just as Beowulf and Wiglaf slay a dragon at the end of Beowulf, Bödvar Bjarki and Hjalti help each other slay the creature in Denmark. In some of the Hrólf Kraki material, Bödvar Bjarki aids Adils in defeating Adils' uncle Áli, in the Battle on the Ice of Lake Vänern. In Beowulf, the hero Beowulf aids Eadgils in Eadgils' war against Onela. As far as this Swedish adventure is concerned, Beowulf and Bödvar Bjarki are one and the same.

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Yes, YOU should read a book! In the late 5th Century when Beowulf was suppose to have taken place..no Blacks and Asians were not in Scandinavia, not until the English place their Kings there and the onset of Christianity. Up until that point slaves in Scandinavia were white, the English brought in Slaves from Africa.

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It isn't cultural appropriation. It's inaccurate.

Cultural appropriation would be another culture taking something from Britain that we hold very dear, and using it in a trivial manner because they haven't bothered to understand it and so don't respect it.

For example; we wear red poppies because it is a reminder of the blood shed during the wartime. It's a long tradition and is considered very important. It holds a lot of meaning.

Now, imagine another group from another country look at the poppies and think, 'wow, they're cool.' Next thing you know, they're wearing poppies on fashion shows or in modelling shoots. They pose with them. They strut around with them because they're cute or considered in fashion.They wear them to match their outfit that day.

That is insulting to us. That is upsetting. They aren't a fashion icon, they mean more than that.

That is why Native Americans complain when popstars pose in magazines with their headdresses.

That's cultural appropriation. It's not sharing cultural differences (which is fine) it's taking something, not understanding it, and so being (not on purpose) quite disrespectful.

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This show has about as much history to it them Game of Thrones. Both are made up places and scenarios. Have to look at it like fiction, not history.

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I hope one day theres a slavery based series, like "Ammistad" or something, where among black slaves there are white race slaves.

Yep... that's how ridiculous it is to put black or asian people among Vikings.

Fantasy? Oh sure... do you also see people falling from the sky with laserguns that shoot apples, or people doing moves that defy gravity? Fantasy obeys some rules (specially historical fantasy), otherwise might as well see warriors shooting lightbolts from their arses (yeah Braveheart fan).

A fantasy/historical movie is based on history mixed with fantasy, but one thing is for sure, you don't have black Vikings and you dont have Orcs living among Hobbits.

THEY DON'T MIX :D

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Amongst them, maybe rare to non-existent and impractical (two different routes), but not improbable. For instance, African slavery in the US increased because the sharp decline in European slavery.

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Norse myth? May have been ABOUT the Norse, but the Norse has no hand whatsoever in writing it.

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