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What a boring piece of crap


ppl pay tickets to watch *beep* Godzilla. not a movie which is 90% politicians and their mumbo jumbo. I wanted more Godzilla dammit

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Some people only pay to see Godzilla.

The rest pay to see it all.

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Naw, this was a great movie. Godzilla's scenes were breathtaking

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Naw, this was a great movie. Godzilla's scenes were breathtaking


You mean breathtakingly hilarious? It was the worst Godzilla I have ever seen.

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If you think this Godzilla is the worst, then you have no proper knowledge of just how low previous works were, ffs.

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I have seen quite a bit of them, including early works by Japanese. It was actually ok to have crappy toy Godzillas in 60', that was the level of cinema back then and it was acceptable. You know whats NOT acceptable? To have Godzilla on the level of 60' in 2016, thats just.. weird. Was their total movie budget 5k dollars? Because I have seen loads of indie movies on shoe-string budgets who had better monsters than this crap.

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No.

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I have seen quite a bit of them, including early works by Japanese. It was actually ok to have crappy toy Godzillas in 60', that was the level of cinema back then and it was acceptable. You know whats NOT acceptable? To have Godzilla on the level of 60' in 2016, thats just.. weird. Was their total movie budget 5k dollars? Because I have seen loads of indie movies on shoe-string budgets who had better monsters than this crap.



That was the level of cinema in the 1960's? Don't kid yourself.

Even if you're just talking about Japan there's stuff like Seven Samaurai, Tokyo Story, Ikiru etc...

The 60's/70's incarnations were considered dumb schlock even at the time of their production.

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"You know whats NOT acceptable? To have Godzilla on the level of 60' in 2016, thats just.. weird."

The movie isn't anywhere near as bad as some of the stuff from the 60s and 70s. For the kind of movie that it was and the budget that it was made with, it's actually good all things considering. You have to keep in mind the film doesn't have hundreds of millions of dollars behind it - on the contrary, it only had fifteen million. Also, you don't compare something with hundreds of millions of dollars with something that doesn't even have a fraction of that.


"Because I have seen loads of indie movies on shoe-string budgets who had better monsters than this crap."

Okay, glad to see you are comparing it with similarly budgeted movies and its type. What movies?

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"Also, you don't compare something with hundreds of millions of dollars with something that doesn't even have a fraction of that."

My favourite childhood movies would be Alien (1979, budget $8,4 to $11 mln.) and Carpenters "The Thing" (1982, $15 mln).

Now those are THE masterpieces, actually breathtaking cult sci-fi monster movies. Alien's cost was closer to $8,4 mln. (as claimed by Ridley Scott himself, Tom Skerritt and others), but Fox liked to cook their books so they claimed its 11 mln. and then dared to say movie was loss-making even after sales of $100+ mln.

Now, one could say "but inflation", and thats true, its also true computer graphics cost infinitely cheaper now and billion times more powerful. Your smartphone has more processing power than most supercomputers in 70'-80'.

I just finished watching "Stranger Things", this TV series of sci-fi horror about monster was of much better atmosphere and higher quality than Shin Gojira movie. You know how much it cost to make 10 episodes of it? $220k, total.

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Mate, no one cares about your tastes. You're just making highly inaccurate comparisons between 1960s films to a film that has CGI resemble a real suit. So no, it's fair to say you don't know what you're talking about.

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"My favourite childhood movies would be Alien (1979, budget $8,4 to $11 mln.) and Carpenters "The Thing" (1982, $15 mln)."

My favorites, as well. However, I was kind of looking for something a little more specific in relation to the genre that Godzilla is a part of, the kaiju genre. "Alien" and "The Thing" are interesting comparisons to make in relation to "Shin Godzilla" due to the presence of body horror, but outside of that, it's a tenuous comparison at best. They're three very, very different movies that are from different subgenres, though really good movies.

"its also true computer graphics cost infinitely cheaper now and billion times more powerful."

Not entirely true. This was a quote taken from the filmmaker of "Godzilla: Heritage", an upcoming fan film:
"Actually it would be more expensive. We have to commit to one route or the other. For instance, if we chose an all CG character route, it would cost us just shy of 1 million dollars. We don't have that. Nor do we have any delusions that we will ever attain that amount of money.

Now... with suitmation, we need to bring on another artist to finish our suits, which is another $10,000.00 out of pocket, and have our miniature sets built... roughly $125,000.00...

A mixture of both would place us somewhere in the $400,000.00 spectrum."

Now, it's possible there are CG effects houses that are cheaper, but I don't for certain. Considering some of the bottom-of-the-barrel garbage produced by the likes of Roger Corman and Asylum films, movies that featured CG and have giant creatures, the effects in "Shin Godzilla" are generally speaking solid.


"I just finished watching "Stranger Things", this TV series of sci-fi horror about monster was of much better atmosphere and higher quality than Shin Gojira movie."

I'm not overly familiar with "Stranger Things". Is it kaiju-related?

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Stranger Things is a Netflix show about kids going through horror movie scenarios. It's like what 'The Last of Us' did to zombie movie/game scenarios/tropes. No kajiu though.

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"Stranger Things is a Netflix show about kids going through horror movie scenarios. It's like what 'The Last of Us' did to zombie movie/game scenarios/tropes. No kajiu though."

Oh. Can't really use that then.

Speaking of TV series, I thought I heard something about a show called "Enormous", which had kaiju in a sort of apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic setting. Is that still in development, or had that been canned altogether?

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Yeah, can't compare it. I will say this though: In terms of SFX comparison, Shin Godzilla's scenes are on par and superior to ST.

Never heard of Enormous though.

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"Never heard of Enormous though."

From what I know, it was an IP by Image Comics that was essentially "The Walking Dead" but with giant monsters. I don't know whether or not that's the correct summation of it (never read the comic), but Machinima was going to do a web series based on it, plus there were plans for an actual TV series by a different company (Fox 21?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7aTyuFvEGI

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My favorites, as well. However, I was kind of looking for something a little more specific in relation to the genre that Godzilla is a part of, the kaiju genre. "Alien" and "The Thing" are interesting comparisons to make in relation to "Shin Godzilla" due to the presence of body horror, but outside of that, it's a tenuous comparison at best. They're three very, very different movies that are from different subgenres, though really good movies.


Kaiju is mainly Japanese thing. Hollywood made few blockbusters (and some similar to Japanese cheap toys in 50-60'), but you cant limit to just few movies if you want cost/impact analysis. Thats why the closest you can get is scifi-horror-monster sub-genre for cross comparison.

Shin Godzilla also suppose to be horror, but you can read comments "when we saw this goofy Godzilla, the whole Cinema burst in laughing." It was simply terribly made. Can you imagine such comments about Alien 1979? And that alien monster design was done almost 40 years ago, on similar budget. Thats why one is all-time classic, and Shin...well, at least it makes people laugh :)

Now, it's possible there are CG effects houses that are cheaper, but I don't for certain.


No, my point was cgi is vastly cheaper and more powerful now, not that computer generated models are cheaper than plastic toys. That said, nowadays its so easy to make any kind of 3D models, even working alone on your home computer, technology is already there. Youtube is filled with talented 3D animators created awesome monsters, dragons, etc.

I'm not overly familiar with "Stranger Things". Is it kaiju-related?


Its not kaiju, its scifi-horror-monster family TV series. All around higher quality show than Shin, at tiny fraction of its cost.

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"Kaiju is mainly Japanese thing."

Mostly. However, other countries have done giant monster movies as well, especially America.

"you cant limit to just few movies if you want cost/impact analysis. Thats why the closest you can get is scifi-horror-monster sub-genre for cross comparison"

Yes and no. It becomes complicated when one is looking at foreign films, as one would have to consider the film traditions of that country, the country's history, the context for which the movie was made, etc. It's also worth noting that the adversary in the film is a three hundred foot entity; now, this may seem like an odd thing to point out, but the thing with movies such as "Alien" and "The Thing" is that the creatures are generally human-sized, so it's relatively easier to pull off. Sure, the sequel "Aliens" and "The Thing" also had creatures that were in the ten to twenty foot range, but nowhere NEAR as large as Godzilla. Nor were the movies as politically charged/centered and as deeply personal. The movies are terrifying in completely different ways; both "The Thing" and "Alien" are claustrophobic films where the menace is largely unseen and exists on a personal level. "Shin Godzilla's" menace, however, is a f#cking disaster multiplied to the nth degree and made into horrifying flesh, a towering nightmare that is a reflection of the 2011 earthquake and Fukushima, something very intimate to the filmmakers and to the country itself, which is what makes it especially terrifying.



"Shin Godzilla also suppose to be horror, but you can read comments "when we saw this goofy Godzilla, the whole Cinema burst in laughing."

A lot of those comments seem to be made in relation to Godzilla's first form, where he was this bizarre fetal salamander thing. At the movie theater where I saw it (went to see it twice), I heard a few exclamations such as "What is THAT?!", but no one was laughing, especially not at Godzilla's fourth form and the devastation he wrought. No one laughed at all when he first unleashed his beam and completely devastated Tokyo. It was legitimately terrifying to watch. In terms of it being a horror movie, "Shin Godzilla" is to an extent, but it is primarily a political thriller about crisis management and the impotency of bureaucracy in the face of disaster.


"It was simply terribly made."

Not at all. It was an intelligently written, well-made movie that reflected not only on the impotency of bureaucracy during Fukushima, which the movie is heavily based upon, but also on the nature of Japan's Self-Defense Force, the country's relationship with nuclear energy and post-war, among other things. In comparison to other monster movies of its type, especially some of the stuff by Asylum and Roger Corman, the effects were far from terrible. In terms of a movie "being good", you have to take into account everything - plot, tone, pacing, acting, cinematography, music, symbolism, theme(s), characterization (or lack thereof - in some cases a film can be based around the absence of characterization), dialogue (if there is any), how are images framed and why, structure, the genre that the movie is a part of (in which case you would have to consider both the best and worst within said-genre and see where it would fall), the type of movie that it is, etc. Also, you consider budget. Comparing a fifteen million dollar movie with a hundred million dollar movie would be grotesque, as the latter would have more in the way of advantages. The only time you should compare is if the former manages to surpass the latter in quality (which would be unlikely for the most part), or if it covers similar themes/has a similar premise. Or, if the movie rips off from said-movie. In some cases with movies like "Shin Godzilla", you also have to take into account the place that it came from and why it was produced. Once you consider all of these factors, that's when you decide whether a movie is good or not.


"That said, nowadays its so easy to make any kind of 3D models, even working alone on your home computer, technology is already there. Youtube is filled with talented 3D animators created awesome monsters, dragons, etc."


Indeed, there are a lot of talented 3D animators. However, CG still needs to be animated and properly lit, plus it becomes even more difficult when the creature gets larger and larger.

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Actually, no. It wasn't a terribly made film, literally the opposite. Why are you even here if you didn't like the film? I bet you don't even know what the film's about.

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You gave Sicario a 6/10. Your opinions should not be taken seriously by anyone.

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"ppl pay tickets to watch *beep* Godzilla. not a movie which is 90% politicians and their mumbo jumbo. I wanted more Godzilla dammit"

It depends on what your expectations were when you went in. If you went in expecting a mindless action movie, you're bound to be disappointed, as "Shin Godzilla" isn't that kind of film.

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This movie was boring as *beep*. Over explained and just poorly paced. I could barely finish the film... it literally ends w/ a friggin dental appointment for godzilla. Incredibly lame.

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Why is it that whenever I see negative comments about this film, that they never make an actual good point? Or any point for that matter, like this or example.

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Did you watch the film?

Then you know it's true.

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"Did you watch the film?

Then you know it's true."

Not in the way you make it out to be.
"Over explained and just poorly paced."

Neither are really an issue, especially considering what the movie is about - Japanese authorities responding to a crisis and trying to figure out what to do, even with an extraordinarily bizarre entity such as Godzilla that defies all logic and legal precedents. It's not a mindless action movie as from the likes of Michael Bay.

"it literally ends w/ a friggin dental appointment for godzilla."

You weren't paying attention to the film. Look, if you don't like the film, fine, it's not the kind of movie you enjoy or wanted. That doesn't make it a bad film.

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"That doesn't make it a bad film. "

Doesn't mean it's a good film either.

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"Doesn't mean it's a good film either."

It actually is a good film, though. In your case, it just didn't suit your tastes, which is fine. I hope you find a movie that does.

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Never said it was a bad movie, just pointing out flaws

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"Never said it was a bad movie, just pointing out flaws"

Pacing isn't really an issue, though. Over-explanation? In relation "Shin Godzilla", what was done was serviceable, as it does give the film a certain sense of realism (or perhaps verisimilitude is a better word?). I don't feel like it was over-explained, though.

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Like I said, you're not even attempting to say how/why your grievances even count.

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The original only had about 10 mins of Godzilla. The 2014 reboot had about 10 mins of Godzilla. And Shin Godzilla had him in at about....you guessed it...10 mins. It's meant to be treated as a rarity. Whether the time when Godzilla is not on screen is boring or not is debatable. They ALL have boring filler IMO.

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Pretty sure Shin Godzilla had 20+ minutes of Godzilla.

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20+ minutes


lol we did not see the same movie.

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Just checked. There's at least 15+ minutes of ShinGoji on screen.

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It was a huge letdown, to me at least. I was hoping this movie would redeem Godzilla after Hollywood's underwhelming second crack at the creature but it did not.

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"It was a huge letdown, to me at least."

What made it a letdown?

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It was just a dull movie. Godzilla's design was really poor too. It reminded me of "The Return of Godzilla" but much much worse.

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But it's not a dull movie.

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But it was a dull movie, at least to me.

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"It was just a dull movie."

What kind of movie were you expecting it to be out of curiosity? I'm not being mean or anything, I really am curious.

"Godzilla's design was really poor too."

I don't really see how it was poor.

"It reminded me of "The Return of Godzilla" but much much worse."

Sorry, I just wanted to clarify - the design or the movie? If the latter, why does it remind of "The Return of Godzilla"?

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Something akin to Godzilla movies from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. His design was terrible. I was not feeling it. It seemed like a remake of that movie but much much worse. It reminded me of that movie because it was Godzilla versus man/military. Both movies were introductions to their respective generations of Godzilla movies. This movie was a poor introduction to the new generation. Just my two cents.

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"Something akin to Godzilla movies from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s."

A serious Godzilla movie, but with fights? Is that what you had wanted?

"His design was terrible."

It's far from terrible. Not even the worst. Have you seen some of the stuff from the 60s and 70s? Or even the Hannah-Barbera Godzilla?


"It reminded me of that movie because it was Godzilla versus man/military. Both movies were introductions to their respective generations of Godzilla movies."

They're similar in that regard but there is a good deal of difference between the two. "Returns" was a sequel that aimed at returning Godzilla to his more serious roots while also commentating on Cold War powerplays of the time. "Shin", however, is an intelligently done version of the original 54 film, but set within contemporary times and much more of a political thriller than any other Godzilla movie.

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Yeah, you should write a 300 page dissertation about how strongly you feel about this movie and why my personal opinion is wrong. I'm looking forward to it.

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"Yeah, you should write a 300 page dissertation about how strongly you feel about this movie and why my personal opinion is wrong."

Dude, it's fine if you don't like the movie - no problem at all! However, I think it's a stretch to say that the design itself is terrible when there had been so much worse. In terms of your expectations and what you had wanted, if you went in looking for monster v monster action or just action nonstop, you'll be disappointed, as "Shin Godzilla" isn't that kind of movie. If, however, you want an intelligently done monster movie, "Shin Godzilla" is that film. I hope you find a movie that better suits your tastes.

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Yeah, that's great. Save it for your dissertation. I'm looking forward to it. That said, I enjoyed "The Return of Godzilla" very much and that was not monstr vs. monster.

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"Yeah, that's great. Save it for your dissertation."

I don't know what your problem is. I said that it's fine if you don't like the movie. If a movie isn't for you, it isn't you. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see how your response of "write up a 300 page dissertation" has anything to do with what I'm saying.


"That said, I enjoyed "The Return of Godzilla" very much and that was not monstr vs. monster."

It wasn't as politically centered/focused as this current Godzilla; in fact, this is the only Godzilla movie around where the protagonist is a politician. Plus, with "Shin", it kind of felt more like real world approach than previous iterations.

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Well, you appear to be treating a popcorn movie very seriously by dissecting my personal opinion about it becing dull. Hence why I suggested you write a dissertation about it.

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"Well, you appear to be treating a popcorn movie very seriously by dissecting my personal opinion about it becing dull."

Except it isn't a "popcorn movie" at all. It's an intelligently written movie that reflects not only on Fukushima and politics, but also delves into issues such as the nature of the Japanese Self-Defense Force, post-war, and Japan's stance towards radiation, among other things.

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Yeah, uh huh, that's really great.

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"Yeah, uh huh, that's really great."

In case you hadn't known, "popcorn movie" has a very specific meaning.

"Noun. (plural popcorn movies) (film, idiomatic) A motion picture without serious dramatic content, a weighty message, or intellectual depth, which serves simply as enjoyable entertainment."

That's why I argued against your use of the term. If you don't like the movie, fine, but calling it a "popcorn movie" when it is anything but is extremely disingenuous, especially considering how loaded the movie itself is.

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Pretty cool, man.

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but it was OK to see how politics reacted. In a novelization, I'd be interested to read how the media will react.

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We got a lot more godzilla out of this film then we did Godzilla(2014)

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