Ghosts? It seems to me what he sees is what he said. Manifestations based on his guilt for taking a life or he takes the whole "reconstruct the person as alive to do our job" a little too far. Otherwise "Stevie" would have told him who killed her. Which she didn't. Her ghost even taunted him with her having a relationship which we now know wasn't true.
shareHe calls them 'manifests' not 'manifestations'.
It may seem like hair-splitting, but they mean different things.
A manifest used as a noun (as River does) is a list of cargo or passengers carried on a ship or plane. Whereas, a manifestation , used as a noun is one of the forms in which someone or something, such as a person, a divine being, or an idea, is revealed or the materialized form of a spirit. [The Free Dictionary]
You're right, I think, about them being based on his guilt -- at least in part and the clue to that is in the word 'manifest'. They're his cargo.
She never directly says Hadar was a boyfriend. She asks, "You didn't think you were the only one, did you?" but she never says only one what. I'm certain she did not have a romantic relationship with River but many of the aspects of their relationship were so intimate that perhaps River unconsciously wanted one. When she says, Is it so hard to believe I had a boyfriend?, or when Hader seems to taunt him, nothing is ever directly said that definitively says they were sexually connected.
So, I don't actually think he sees Stevie's ghost, but the part of Stevie that had touched him, became a part of him and that he loved.
I think this is where the intuition that leads him to discover clues, resides as well. .
God made man because he loves stories. —Rabbi Nachman
In my captions it said "manifestations", sorry. I stand corrected.
She never directly says Hadar was a boyfriend. She asks, "You didn't think you were the only one, did you?" but she never says only one what.
I think this is where the intuition that leads him to discover clues, resides as well.
I think the manifests/manifestations mix-up is more than understandable -- it may be intended. Had I not watched last week's show again right before tonight's, I would not have caught it. It's the perfect example of the mind filling in the blanks.
His intuition knows things he's unwilling to consider and so he sees the manifests.
I'm waiting for the show to end so I can marathon it and see whatever else I've missed by watching one episode per week. I love British dramas and their pacing but I can miss things when the audio or the subtitles/captions aren't great.
I agree with you. River is on the verge of losing his mind and not only because of the manifests or his boss or his boss's boss. He's grieving and he needs to find Stevie's killer before he can begin to rest and heal.
As far as I can tell the (dead) Arabian guy actually finishes reading his letter to his wife, and River couldn't read Arabian.
shareShe asks, "You didn't think you were the only one, did you?" but she never says only one what.
I think those manifests are the way he deals with his guilt/grief. It's kind of "what if" some people are wallowing in when someone connected to them suddenly pass away without any closure.
shareBut he doesn't see only people that are dear to him (i.e. Stevie). He sees other people too, including that guy when he was a child.
But you're right that it's how he deals with emotions. So far they all go away once he has resolved why they died/what they were hiding and has put them to rest.
That's why I used the word "connected" - didn't say people he specifically loved or hated.
shareexcept erin doesn't go away after he determines her suicide. remember she tells him to wear the red tie?
also the lampeth poisoner,how is he involved with river's guilt/
I REALLY HATED HIM HE WAS SO CREEPY!
The old guy when he was a child was dear to him in a sense -- he was lonely, and he had the guy to talk to. Also, the manifests don't go away after their deaths are resolved; they make occasional appearances.
Semper Contendere Propter Amoram et Formam
No ghosts. Ghosts would be able to help him, and he saw a version of the professor while he was still alive.
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He doesn't see ghosts. He also knows they are not ghosts.
This is obvious from the the fact he is seeing the 'ghost' of the gay construction worker while he is still alive, and that the 'ghost' of Haider is not even a little bit like the real person.
Does anyone else here see parallels to "The Tempest"? More here:
http://imdb.com/title/tt4258440/reviews-24
Briefly River = Prospero; Stevie = Miranda; Bennigan = Caliban. In other words they are MANIFESTationS of his "Id". (cf "Forbidden Planet")
I drank WHAT - Socrates
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I just started watching but I don't believe they are ghost. I think they're more visions that have manifested from feelings of guilt or an inability to solve a crime that weighs on his conscience. I would think that Stevie, if she was a ghost would help him not only solve her murder but help him solve others as well.
shareOf course Ron Howard did this in beautiful mind. Most people with Schizophrenia have audio hallucinations and hardly any have full on relationships with invisible people dead or alive.
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