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Can't always trust the critics...


I saw this on Netflix and it had a solid rating of 4 stars but was baffled that it only scored 38 on Metacritic. I read most of the user reviews here and so I decided to give it a shot. I was pleasantly surprised at how beautifully poignant this film turned out to be. It's heartwarming, funny, well acted and quite an accurate depiction for most gay millenials. It's ridiculous to think that I almost missed out on a good film thanks to these critics. They don't always know better. Most of my all time favorite films have been skewered by them anyway. -,-"

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I think a lot of the flaws that the critics bring up in their reviews are valid: the film isn't particularly insightful, it's in many ways only a shallow glimpse of coming out and experiencing unrequited love.

Yet, I think those flaws aren't as alarming as the critics have painted them out to be. 4th Man Out is a sweet, rom-comish film that works because the main cast plays so well off of each other. The film isn't an unforgettable piece of art but it doesn't need to be.

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Good points! I just saw it and I kept thinking how well the guys portrayed close friends. I know it's not earth shattering, but it's really nice to see a coming out story with a light and happy ending.

I loved the gay bar dance scene, and how Nick (Glee!!) and Ortu (College Humor! 30 Rock!) went from being slightly scared to fully embracing the moment and having a good time. I liked that Adam hadn't been pining over Chris for years and years. It would not have been unrealistic, but I'm glad they stayed away from the added angst, and just kept it light and fluffy with just a touch of tension.

In my opinion it was a good movie.

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The critics discriminate against it because their shallow world view has no insight into anything beyond their experience.

I went and read the Metacritic reviews and came away with a feeling that there's a new kind of homophobia out there against guys who don't describe themselves as "gender fluid" or celebrate in scandalous costumes.

The discrimination I see with those critics is not accepting the film on iits own terms, in a place with different mores than Chelsea or WeHo, and where guys are less likely to grow up lip-synching to Gaga. For me it depicted small town life with substantial observation both of the place, the people, and their relations. As for insight, it's right there in recognizing that this is part of the diversity of gay people, too.

As I said before, the parochial, ivory towers of most critics fence them off from appreciation for lives of ordinary people. Their trendy tastes are what lack insight and substance.

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I was surprised at the Metacritic score too! I watched it on Netflix and really enjoyed it. It was a lighthearted, feel good comedy bromance type film that would appeal to a wider audience than just gay men.

Two reviews both said the jokes in the film were outdated. More suited to 10 years ago. My friendship group includes gay people and we all make jokes like that. We are all in our 20s. What a lot of critics fail to understand is within friendship groups you're not PC censored so you make jokes you would never make to someone you didn't know well. I actually found the humor realistic and relatable in this film.

It was different from other gay films I've seen as it concentrated on the friendships and not the big gay romance. It didn't have that obligatory gay sex scene that some people think is all that makes a gay movie worth seeing. Those kind of people are missing out. It wasn't meant to be heavy. I won't get nominated for an Oscar but if I'm hanging out with my friends and we're in the mood for something fun and lighthearted it's an option along with the many many conventional romcoms we're used to.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

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I have to agree, you can't always trust the critics. I had the same browsing experience, saw the 38 metascore, and watched it anyway with my husband. We loved it! I have the suspicion that a LOT of critics are trapped in the 20th century anti-gay mentality that dictates that people who come out as gay always have to suffer horribly and/or die. This nonsense stems from the Hayes Code set up by the Catholic Church in the 30s.

And that's another reason that I suspect main-stream critics sand-bagged the film: the Catholic Church is strictly a joke in this film, a visual punchline, powerless, ridiculous, and irrelevant. Could be that stuck in their craws a bit.

Solid acting, good looking young folks, and very good production values combined with a good script gets a 4 star from us.

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I have the suspicion that a LOT of critics are trapped in the 20th century anti-gay mentality that dictates that people who come out as gay always have to suffer horribly and/or die.


I get the feeling that it's more that the stakes in the movie were relatively low. A guy comes out, has a brief falling out with his best friend as their group dynamics shift, then everything is fine again. I think that some older people still regard coming out as this big dramatic thing--that characters don't necessarily have to suffer horribly, but that it can't be light and mostly inconsequential.

So from a critical point of view I could see how this movie would feel too slight (I also think that there were some other issues with the movie that take it down a few notches, not related to the plotting). But I appreciate, as you say, that not every story about a gay person has to be a boiling tragedy. We didn't need to see Evan Todd getting beaten up or disowned by his parents. I liked this movie because of how light it was, not in spite of its lightness. I think it is kind of daring to show how coming out as gay could be just a bump in the road and not a world-shattering event.

The movie is fluff, but in its own way that's kind of revolutionary because it means we are at a point where gay stories/romances/dramas can be fluffy and not have the grim shadow of violence and hatred looming over them.

I also appreciated that the movie avoided the obvious (and obnoxious) plot point of having another one of the friends be gay. I liked that the movie wasn't dismissive of Young's character trying to deal with finding out his friend was gay, but also took him to task when he started to be mopey about it. When you have been intimate (in a non-sexual sense) with someone under the assumption that they are not sexually oriented toward you, it would be a bit disorienting to suddenly discover that wasn't true. You'd be looking back at your encounters with a different filter. So I liked that the movie was willing to see the nuance in the different characters.

My only real complaint about the movie was the character of the neighbor, who was this one-dimensional homophobe and who didn't really add anything to the plot. She felt like a caricature, and was out of place when compared to the other more nuanced characters.

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"My only real complaint about the movie was the character of the neighbor, who was this one-dimensional homophobe and who didn't really add anything to the plot. She felt like a caricature, and was out of place when compared to the other more nuanced characters."

The neighbor was a part of the Catholic Church comment made by the script, in which the Church is shown as irrelevant, silly, and impotent. I think this is the best way to deal with oppressors. It's also the way that Jewish comedy writers, like Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks, always dealt with Nazis. Not by making them scary villains [which is the role the Church is usually relegated to] but rather as foolish buffoons, which is much closer to the truth. I hope that, in the very near future, the entire Christian religion will be nothing but a punchline.

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The neighbor was a part of the Catholic Church comment made by the script, in which the Church is shown as irrelevant, silly, and impotent.


I don't mind her character being treated as silly as opposed to menacing. I agree that treating her as a nuisance and not a threat takes away the power of her oppression.

But the character was a cartoon and I didn't feel that she fit anywhere near the reality of the rest of the movie which felt relatively grounded and real. I mean, she goes from handing out conversion therapy pamphlets to being like "Eh, whatever, it's 4th of July." The movie offers no reason for her change of heart. I dislike that her character doesn't make sense and doesn't fit in with the rest of the fictional world.

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"her character doesn't make sense"

How lucky you are. and what a wonderfully happy person you must be, not to have been involved with the Church! Doesn't Make Sense is the PERFECT definition for all of the actions of people who are homophobic Christians!

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How lucky you are. and what a wonderfully happy person you must be, not to have been involved with the Church!


I'm not religious, but I work in a very conservative, very religious community. I recognized Evan Todd's character. I recognized his parents. The neighbor was a caricature. I know there are people in real life who are cartoonish. I don't think I've ever run across anyone who was homophobic one day and then had a "live and let live" attitude the next for absolutely no reason. I think that the character was lazily written.

I also think that if you are going to change hearts and minds you can't throw blanket contempt at people (even if some of them totally deserve it). That only creates division and an "us versus them" mentality.

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"The Catholic church is strictly a joke in this film"

Um, no. The neighbor was over the top, but we didn't see any hatred shown towards Adam by the priest, for instance. The Church also does wonderful charitable work that anti-Catholic bigots conveniently overlook.

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It's not the type of movie critics are able to appreciate.

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