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Would you want to be part of Russian Nobility?


Pierre and Andrei both expressed a lot of disinterest in living the typical lives of Russian noblemen. I can see where they are coming from, based on the what we saw about their lives in the show.

I don't know if what we saw was accurate, but what we saw looked horrible. Their lives basically consisted of constant balls where they would gossip very formally about each other.

Minus a few characters, everyone was very self-centered and constantly scheming to get money or recognition. They were surrounded by other selfish rich people and all the less fortunate servants who most likely hated their masters.

I'm sure that being poor in 1800's Russia would be horrible, but being part of the nobility doesnt seem all that much better to me.

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The book was in large part based on Count Tolstoy's real life experience, and Pierre and Natasha were supposedly based partially off of his grand-parents and parents. Also his experience in the Crimean War.

Russia was, until the 1860s, the last European country that was part of the Ancien Regime. It did not even have a constitution until like 1905 or so. This put it DECADES behind any other European state, and Tolstoy himself was quite critical of the system.

It was great to be wealthy, but the rich-poor divide in Russia was sooooooooooo much greater by far than in any other part of Europe that anyone with any sense of guilt would have hated being SOOOOOO rich while the peasants were SOOOOO poor. It was not until the end of the 19th century that you got any decent sized middle class.

I might have liked being a Russian noble Prince but probably would have been executed by the Czar's secret police for pushing for a constitutional monarchy and a parliament - something that really did happen to MANY Russian nobles over the years. Unfortunately they waited too long, and the whole upper class suffered a far worse fate than that of the French upper class during the French Revolution. At least THEY were restored after the Congress of Vienna, and merged with the new Napoleonic nobles. To this day you still have wealthy French barons through Dukes. The Russians who did not flee Russia..well, we know what happened to most of them.


Defender of the weak, and enemy of the weak minded.

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The book was in large part based on Count Tolstoy's real life experience, and Pierre and Natasha were supposedly based partially off of his grand-parents and parents.


I don't know about Pierre and Natasha, but I learned that Nikolai Rostov was based on Tolstoy's father, and Princess Marya on his mother.

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Better than being one of the Russian peasantry.

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It ultimately comes down to whether you would rather deal with constant boredom and monotony or deal with the struggle for survival in its most bare and essential form.

There are plenty of people who do well in modern society but prefer to live a meager existence out in some frozen woodland log cabin. Most of them just fantasize about it and then retreat back to the life of comfort after a day or two of trying to live like a peasant. Some do genuinely prefer the simple life though, even if it means struggling to stay alive in a harsh environment and devoting the majority of your time and energy to making sure you have the most basic necessities for survival.

Personally, I would prefer to be rich and powerful regardless of the time period or location. Sure, that lifestyle also has its cons, but at least you can focus on other things in life besides just making it through the year.

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Their lives basically consisted of constant balls where they would gossip very formally about each other.

Minus a few characters, everyone was very self-centered and constantly scheming to get money or recognition. They were surrounded by other selfish rich people and all the less fortunate servants who most likely hated their masters.


How is that really all that different than how the elites live in every society, or even how they live now? Today the gossiping, backbiting, scheming, and gold digging is even more in your face with tabloid culture and social media amplification.

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