I applaud you for trying to be logical about this... but the whole thing... the way they handled this is very illogical.
Yamcha had stopped training before the Buu Saga. He had given up fighting. While he would be stronger than most humans, he would definitely no be in fighting shape.
True... but Master Roshi hasn't trained in YEARS... and he was able to fight and take out Frieza's men.
While Chiaotzu has been training with Tien, clearly, Chiaotzu can't keep up in terms of power
Chiaotzu is the weakest Z fighter, but he is far more powerful than Roshi.
Majin Buu can go to sleep. In fact he did so so, briefly, during the Buu Saga.
True... but he "conveniently" goes to sleep during this time? And not to mention... In this movie, Buu was referred to as a powerful creature, which is why Frieza was shocked to hear that Goku surpassed and defeated Buu. It would have been nice to see Buu engage Frieza in battle, at the very least.
Android 18 didn't fight because she's a loner. As pointed out it would be more effective for her to watch Marron
No comment. But still... considering that Frieza was a huge threat... the Z fighters should have ALL been there. Just gathering a few Z fighters and hoping for the best is stupid, considering Frieza's reputation.
Goten and Trunks were presumably some unspecified distance away. Even if they sensed the battle, it would still have taken a couple of hours to get to where. By that time, the battle would be over.
Goten and Trunks aren't afraid of fighting... and Bulma is right, they would have done something reckless. They should have sensed the battle, the power levels, etc. When Frieza was first resurrected... Piccolo and Gohan (I didn't see the movie, but I've heard about it) sense Frieza's power level after coming back with the Dragon Balls. They felt it appear and disappear. With all that was going on in this movie with the fighting, Goten and Trunks should of AT LEAST showed up last minute or during the fight with Frieza's henchmen... due to sensing these power levels.
And it wouldn't have taken them that long to get to the battle field. At the end of Dragon Ball Z, toddler Pan said that she flew around the Earth 4 times already as a training excerise... as if it was nothing.
Like I said.... there were mistakes all around in this movie.
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aaronhead1988
9 years ago
Roshi is always training, hence why he always has Z warriors at his island who still look to him for training. we don't know if Roshi stepped up his training after Beerus, could of felt helpless. BUT that being said, during the Buu saga, after being killed, Yamcha was dominating the other world fighters in the training ground. Not to mention it wasn't king piccolo who killed Roshi, Roshi sacrificed himself with the Evil Containment wave, before Tien learned to master it a better way(only sacraficing 80% of his health, much like his tri-beam cannon)
There is NO PROOF to Chiatzou being the weakest, the fact is after the saiyan saga, Tien didn't let his friend fight anymore. Yamcha for all we know could of been weaker then Chiatzou durng the Cell saga, Yamcha took one through the chest and wimped out. During the saiyan saga we don't which of the two were stronger, Yamcha was taken out easy for being cocky, where as Chiatzou made a more honorable/brave sacrifice. During the King piccolo saga/Tien tournament, we wouldn't know, since Yamcha had his leg broke by Tien, not to mention on King Kais planet Chiatzou was the first 1 to land something decent on piccolo, giving time for the others to strike.. and as for the Ginyu Force(minus ginyu) it was simply pairing off with those that suited the characters style. Tien vs Recoome(strength), Jeice and Berta vs Yamacha(speed), Guldo vs Chiatzou(small/psychic like powers).
Freiza being a BIG THREAT is the main reason why not all Z fighters are NOT there, they are a risk, if they get grabbed and used as shields/bargaining chips, it puts other Z fighters in trouble as seen when Krillin explains to gohan before Goku fights vegeta(saiyan saga)
The reason Buu was left out along with Goten n Trunks(gotenks) and 18, is because they are very powerful fighters, making the battle seem less epic if they went in and destroyed everything. so logical explanations were offered. Also 18 WAS going to join, but Krillin told her to watch Marron instead. Yes Bulma told Gohan not to tell trunks and Goten, and you forget Trunks and Goten are NOT GREAT at sensing power levels to begin with, as seen during the Buu saga, much like Kid Gohan they are still learning, which is also seen in Yo Son Goku and His friends Return(which is Cannon) when they have trouble keeping up/sensing Abo and Cado's power level. unless they were purposely trying to sense for Freiza, I have little doubt they would of sensed it naturally.
Plus dragon ball Super is said to fill in the gaps of the movies, so we will see then.
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dcmrvl
9 years ago
Roshi is always training, hence why he always has Z warriors at his island who still look to him for training. we don't know if Roshi stepped up his training after Beerus, could of felt helpless. BUT that being said, during the Buu saga, after being killed, Yamcha was dominating the other world fighters in the training ground. Not to mention it wasn't king piccolo who killed Roshi, Roshi sacrificed himself with the Evil Containment wave, before Tien learned to master it a better way(only sacraficing 80% of his health, much like his tri-beam cannon)
When was the last time we have seen Roshi train? He basically quit training after Dragon Ball. Even if he did begin training again after Beerus, there is no way he can be on par with the other Z Warriors, as it took them YEARS of hard work, sweat and blood to get to their current power levels. Besides... the warriors are always at his island, because it is a meeting point, just like Kami's Tower and Krillin lives on Roshi's island.
There is NO PROOF to Chiatzou being the weakest, the fact is after the saiyan saga, Tien didn't let his friend fight anymore. Yamcha for all we know could of been weaker then Chiatzou durng the Cell saga, Yamcha took one through the chest and wimped out. During the saiyan saga we don't which of the two were stronger, Yamcha was taken out easy for being cocky, where as Chiatzou made a more honorable/brave sacrifice. During the King piccolo saga/Tien tournament, we wouldn't know, since Yamcha had his leg broke by Tien, not to mention on King Kais planet Chiatzou was the first 1 to land something decent on piccolo, giving time for the others to strike.. and as for the Ginyu Force(minus ginyu) it was simply pairing off with those that suited the characters style. Tien vs Recoome(strength), Jeice and Berta vs Yamacha(speed), Guldo vs Chiatzou(small/psychic like powers).
Perhaps... but you do know that their fight with the Ginyu Force in other world was filler, right?
The reason Buu was left out along with Goten n Trunks(gotenks) and 18, is because they are very powerful fighters, making the battle seem less epic if they went in and destroyed everything. so logical explanations were offered. Also 18 WAS going to join, but Krillin told her to watch Marron instead. Yes Bulma told Gohan not to tell trunks and Goten, and you forget Trunks and Goten are NOT GREAT at sensing power levels to begin with, as seen during the Buu saga, much like Kid Gohan they are still learning, which is also seen in Yo Son Goku and His friends Return(which is Cannon) when they have trouble keeping up/sensing Abo and Cado's power level. unless they were purposely trying to sense for Freiza, I have little doubt they would of sensed it naturally.
The kids can sense large power levels:
Watch this video and go to 10:02 - all the z warriors that can sense that battle look up into the sky - Bulma, Chichi, Ox King and Marron don't look up, because they can't sense the battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFaRbvuiSBETrunks is sensing Goku's large power level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsZJE0rLPUM
They should be able to sense the fight.
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aaronhead1988
9 years ago
When was the last time we have seen Roshi train? He basically quit training after Dragon Ball. Even if he did begin training again after Beerus, there is no way he can be on par with the other Z Warriors, as it took them YEARS of hard work, sweat and blood to get to their current power levels. Besides... the warriors are always at his island, because it is a meeting point, just like Kami's Tower and Krillin lives on Roshi's island.
I've seen him meditating, much like piccolo does, I've seen mental training, I've seen him directing others what to do. Yah Yamcha's laziness etc really is hard work isn't it?, Yamcha is always lazy with his training as noted MANY times in the Z timeline, meeting point yes, but also a place to get training tips, besides Tien who is more of a lone wolf, only taining with Chiatzou. who's to say Roshi ddn't go and train at Kame tower? we already now he was the first to reach Korin tower and his epic tournament fights vs Great Ape goku, tien(before stepping down, NOT BEING BEAT, just stepping down).
Perhaps... but you do know that their fight with the Ginyu Force in other world was filler, right?
So when was it noted we were not allowed to use filler?, we were comparisoning powe levels through out the series and to me, filler is as much important then just them damn battles.
The kids can sense large power levels:
Watch this video and go to 10:02 - all the z warriors that can sense that battle look up into the sky - Bulma, Chichi, Ox King and Marron don't look up, because they can't sense the battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFaRbvuiSBE
Trunks is sensing Goku's large power level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsZJE0rLPUM
They should be able to sense the fight.
As already stated by myself, they can only sense power levels when directly looking for them.. DIRECTLY LOOKING FOR THEM.
and yeah trunk does sense ssj3 goku because trunks was directly trying to sense how the fight was going. it's not hard to compehend that fact if you watch and listen carefully to the series.
then again I've seen DB-to-DBZ entie series over 8 times, and GT 2 times(ugh), so these things are imprinted into my head.
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