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So... Chiaotzu & Yamaha Can't Fight But Master Roshi Could?


So, I read somewhere that Tien told Chiaotzu and Yamcha that they couldn't participate in the fight with Frieza because it would be too dangerous for them.

I don't understand this. Yamcha and Chiaotzu are lightyears above Master Roshi. Their strength could have been as asset. I don't understand how fighting Frieza's men would be too dangerous for those 2, but not for Master Roshi.

I also found that it was stupid how Majin Buu apparently "hibernates" all of a sudden. With Frieza's new strength, he could have easily taken out Buu.. but it would have been nice to see Buu meet Frieza and fight a little bit.

Why the hell didn't Android 18 fight? She's a Z warrior. Would have been nice to see her get in on the action.

Goten and Trunks... I understand the logic of them not being in the film... BUT it's a dumb reason. Apparently, Bulma told Gohan to tell them about the fight. How did Goten and Trunks not sense Frieza at all? They should have at least come to the battlefield at some point after sensing what was going on.

It's just little things like this that I don't get. These top notch Z warriors were not allowed to come to the battlefield... or the writers couldn't find a way to write them in... but they were able to write in Master Roshi and give him a pretty good fighting role? Seriously?

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^ It's Toriyama playing favorites (and pulling stuff out of his rectum) (as usual)

Besides, we all know Chiaotzu would've been dead in 5 seconds  (and Yamcha half a minute)

And what's not to love about Master Roshi stepping up to kick ass and take names again after so long? The old boy's still got it! 

Why the hell didn't Android 18 fight? She's a Z warrior.


No she's not. She's not an official member of the group, has never been a team player, and Toriyama just doesn't like using her. Heck, she's in the same boat as Chiaotzu in that ya have to wonder why he bothered reviving her... 

Though I AM annoyed Toriyama used a character from a spin-off a lot of us never heard of before instead of one of them 

Would it have been nice if all the heroes (including minor ones) had gotten in on the action like a big DC or Marvel crisis? Hell yes. But that's beyond our control, and that's not how manga-ka & anime studios do things anyway.

Though let's look at it this way: maybe they'll get to step up and pitch in during the Resurrection F arc of Super  (even though I doubt it)

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^^Agreed with everything you said.

I just watched "Battle of Gods" today and realized its way better than "Resurrection". It started slowly and builds up to the fights. We have a little teamwork in BoG. Piccolo and Tien tried to strike Beerus to no avail, but at least they tried. Gohan powered up to what seemed like Ultimate/Mystic Gohan and also joined in a little.

But the second movie was not that good in my opinion. Frieza had a great powerboost, but c'mon, first form Frieza knocking Gohan out in one punch!? Master Roshi fighting!? No Gotenks!? Lame.

(Resurrection is not that bad really. It just suffers from these minor [to some, mayor] details.)

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Frieza had a great powerboost, but c'mon, first form Frieza knocking Gohan out in one punch!? Master Roshi fighting!? No Gotenks!? Lame.


Gohan is a if you don't use it you lose it ability, he didn't even know if he could go SS. He was also caught off guard like Goku was in the end.

Master Roshi going buff is a great sight. I'd take that over weak ass Chiaotzu, Yamcha, Yahjrobi, and the kids.

I dinf Gotenks annoying. Vegeta is my favorite but those kids make cocky arrogant into really annoying.

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one of the inconsistencies of the movie

this movie is so bad its funny.

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18 dominated Vegeta, and the other Z Warriors, but she wasn't in any other fights in the series besides with Mighty Mask and Mr. Satan, other than the movies. Android 18 becomes a character alongside Bulma, Chichi, and Videl. Videl even seems more of a main character than Android 18 at the end of the series.

Master Roshi was one of the main characters in DragonBall. I haven't seen all of DragonBall to know all he did, but he mostly seemed like a master in training, a wise but dirty old man, and a winner in the tournaments as Jackie Chun.

Yamcha was like the coolest character, and he was seen at the beginning of DragonBall, but he didn't have many shining moments throughout the series. I always wish there was more of them.

Goten and Trunks fights seem more comic than they are serious which might be why they aren't fighting characters in this movie.

Gohan was a character who showed lots of potential in a lot of his fights when he angered. He could even take down Frieza, and he is like even stronger as a mystic Saiyan than Goku is Super Saiyan 3. He also defeated Cell. But, despite his potential as a character Toriyama preferred having Mr. Satan alive on the World Of The Kais than Gohan, and have Vegeta and Goku finish off the fight.

It doesn't look like Yajirobe will be in this movie. I'm not too sure all Yajirobe did, but he mostly seems like a strong, lazy fat guy carrying around a sword and coward for fighting. I'm not too sure all he did in DragonBall, but in DragonBall Z in the only fight we see him in, despite being the weakest human who couldn't fly, he probably made the biggest difference of all the non-saiyan characters in that fight, even more so than Piccolo. He cut off Vegeta's tail, and he was able to injure Vegeta which gave Gohan time to transform.

Piccolo is a favorite among Toriyama and a lot of fans, but he wasn't seen in a fight after the Cell Saga. His fight with Android 17 was an awesome fight. He is a wise character that can stay alive during a fight and knows what to do.

Krillin is the comic relief. I like how Krillin was able to slightly hold himself against Imperfect Cell in one brief scene.

Tien is a cool character and it's debatable who is stronger between him and Krillin. Though most people probably think Tien is stronger. We first meet him as a character in DragonBall, when he defeated Goku and faced off against Yamaha. Tien did' seem to make a difference in the Saiyan Saga, but he makes a difference in the Cell Saga, he stood alongside Piccolo. He took Semi-Perfect Cell Down with his Tri-Beam Canon. In the Buu Saga, he deflected an attack to prevent Buu from destroying Earth and I wonder what if Tien could have fused with Goku instead of Vegeta and instead of fusing with Mr. Satan?

So, this has been a long post where I describe the other characters and their potential in the series. But, most of us want to see the non-saiyan characters in action, so it will be cool seeing characters like Master Roshi in action.

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No one wants to see Chaiotzu and Yamcha fight simple as that. They have become jokes since they are the weakest, even the cast makes fun of Yamcha.

18 was explained in the movie. Krillin said watch over Marion, they weren't going to take her to watch or have the Brief's watch her.

Honestly fine with no Buu, Goten, or Trunks. The kids were a downpoint of the Buu saga for me. They made being a SS a everyone gets a trophy situation. They didn't put in the real work to be super saiyans. They can get annoying too. Fat Buu is annoying and not needed.




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Good Points, Master Roshi was cool in DragonBall as we can see him as an old man with potential. He can get all muscly which makes him look cool. I'm sure Yajirobe wasn't even in the movie. Also, I agree that while Gotten and Trunks are half-saiyans their fights seem more comical and less serious, so they're not needed. Neither is Fat Buu.

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Muten Roshi is immortal. The only way to kill him we've seen is to turn him into food and eat him!

EIGHT STROKS OF RYRE - Beta Grandfather Dorin

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Master Roshi died in Dragon Ball

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I think karsultimate misused the word 'immortal'. Master Roshi has everlasting life. He won't die of natural causes or of old age. He can ,however, be killed.

Garlic Jr. is immortal. He can't be killed nor won't die of natural causes or old age.

Had Piccolo DaiMao (King Piccole) not been killed, he would also be like Roshi. The difference is that according to King Piccolo's wish he'll never age again.

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That's the thing with this movie. It's just fan-service in a way because every decision defies logic.

As you point out, Roshi is too weak to be there. Goten and Trunks should have been there. Oh! Yes. Bulma shouldn't be there because of the obvious danger. It's easy to justifie this by saying that... Roshi is a cool character and we want to see him but then again what's the point of a serie if it has no logic at all and everything relies on the principle of coolness...

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I like how in the video games, any character can face off any character. You can see their moves, and they have a chance of winning even if those same characters wouldn't have been able to stand a chance in the series.

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Why the hell didn't Android 18 fight? She's a Z warrior.

Ugh, there is no such thing as a Z warrior.

It's NOT IN THE ORIGINAL MANGA. That was something added to the DBZ dub and thankfully when they dubbed Kai they took that out.


Stop using it NOW.

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There's nothing wrong with the term. It just makes it easier to refer to the characters as a group.

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Even if it might be inconsistent with the series, there are numerous inconsistencies in the series. But, this movie was still entertaining and it made sense when Tien said that Yamcha and Tien were too weak. I'm sure we all liked seeing characters like Master Roshi in action.

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There's only so much you can do in a 2-hour movie.

and the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again. Who's Bad?

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1) Don't underestimate ROSHI just for being old. He trained them, after all. Think of YODA, who's able to fight Siths without much problem.
2) ANDROID 18 and BUU are stronger than most of the other characters. That's exactly why they don't fight here or in most of the important battles: The lack of challenge would hurt the script.

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