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The "free pizza" speech destroyed any sympathy I had for Evan


This movie was bad. One of the worst films I've ever seen. (And I've seen almost every episode of "MST3K" and it's spinoffs.) I don't ask a lot out of cinema. Only two things. 1) Don't bore me. 2) Give me somebody to root for. The second is the most important. Now I don't necessarily mean every movie I see needs a Rocky Balboa type of hero in it. I just mean, give me 1 person that I can relate to on some level, that I can get emotionally involved with. Someone who's not an *beep* Someone I'd want to associate with.
For this movie, that guy is supposed to be Evan. We're supposed to be rooting that he survives this nightmare. But then, during his long speech where he defends what a good father and husband he is, in an almost schizophrenic mood swing, he says that the sex the girls gave him was "free pizza. What else was I supposed to do?"
After that, I had no one to root for in this movie. Except maybe the Mom. (Who acted more like a robot than a human being, so that's out.)
(There might be spoilers ahead. Fair warning.) I know Chris Rock said it's hard for men to run from sex, but it is possible. Evan didn't know these girls. He didn't know if one word they said (especially about being "flight attendants") was true. And he certainly did not know if they were underage. (I never once believed they were underage because the actresses simply LOOK like they're in their early 20s. But I tried to suspend my disbelief.) It doesn't matter how naked, wet, and horny they were, they had worn out their welcome and crossed the line from being "guests" to "intruders." So, Evan, you should have called the police on that "free pizza" the second you saw them naked in your bathroom. You might not have deserved to get stabbed and tortured like you did, but you brought it on yourself.
And the way he described it-"free pizza." That's such a heartless and insensitive way to describe the intimate relations he had with them. This suggests he's probably had "free pizza" before. He expected the girls to just disappear without a trace the morning after, judging by his reaction to finding them still in his house. So after that, I had no one to root for in this movie, and I HATE that. Especially in horror movies. Everybody else liked "Excision" and "Stoker" except me. Everyone in "Excision" was an *beep* and everyone in "Stoker" was a freak. But as I said, even in movies where I go in knowing that it's going to be riffable (and this one certainly is, I hope the guys at Rifftrax go after it soon), I ask to not be bored and have soemone-anyone!-to relate to, to ride with. If you can't give me that 1 person, then I'm probably not going to enjoy your movie.

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I was secretly rooting for the dog the whole time...

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Are you *beep* serious? Thats like an absolutely perfect analogy for the whole situation. Who the hell can deny a free slice of pizza?! It was an absolutely hilarious and brilliant speech too.

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The funniest scene was the following morning when they said they were underage, and Keanu is like "How can you be flight attendants if you're only 15." No one on earth is THAT gullible, are they?

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I cried laughing at this movie, Keanu is the only one to pull that dialogue off.

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Ha, I gave this movie a 5 but still enjoyed the over all camp of it. It was bad but it was probably meant to be that way. Ending it with "Daddy had a party" was funny. The girl that played Bel was really good though. Maybe a better actor than Keanu.

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I totally think sex is beautiful and intimate but in this case HE WAS RIGHT. It was like free pizza and what was he to do? Bitch slap them off his dick? How many guys would do that!? And yes he did expect them to be gone, they said they were flight attendants and they liked "free" sex. They acted like sluts and got treated like it. They were not innocent virgins.

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I would not touch them with a stick. These girls were manipulators from the beginning. I think there's almost nothing more despicable then this kind of person. A lot of girls are manipulating by flirt and playing seduction and sex.
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Eyeroll. Because you know for a fact that you'd resist.

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That's such a heartless and insensitive way to describe the intimate relations he had with them.

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Wow, lot of people in this thread sure got trolled.

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Nice post, but you lost it at "intimate relations".

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Allow me to start by saying I didn't see this movie. I saw the trailer, because I was trying to decide if it was worth watching. I decided I didn't care halfway through the trailer for much the same reason. I don't always need someone to root for or side with (though that can certainly help), but I decided I gave zero f_ucks about this movie the second I realized that he gave in.

Now. A couple things. Based on what I've read here, it sounds like the girls all but raped him. So, reverse the genders and tell me everyone would be complaining about the lone wife who got seduced by two young men in her house. All the comments would be "Rapists! Horrible men!" Etc. And they would not be wrong. So. I can't say for sure whether I'd call it rape or not, as I didn't see it and don't know whether or not he eventually consents (though from the "free pizza" argument, it sounds like he does indeed consent eventually). Then you get into the area of coercive rape. Again, I don't know how hard he fought them or how forcefully they persisted. Were the girls wrong? Absof_uckinglutely. Easily sexual harassment, if nothing else. The trailer seems to show him saying no many times. They should've accepted the first no, as men are expected to accept when a woman says no the first time. It goes both ways. And even if he consented, it's a very sh_it position for him to be in. He didn't deserve that treatment. But, and here's my second main point...

I refuse to accept anyone anywhere saying it's "impossible" to resist sexual advances. No. No it is not. That's comparable to people who say women should cover up because men can't control their rapey urges. Men are not id-driven animals with no capability for higher thinking or reasoning. Allow me to add, I know how difficult it can be to resist sexual advances when you're taken but someone hot and particularly pushy comes along. I am not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do. But it's entirely within your power, short of being raped. Making it sound like men have no control is the stupidest bullsh_it argument ever and no one should use it. Really, especially men! How does that not insult you as a human being, to say that it's "impossible to resist"? You are not neanderthals. You are not apes. You are human beings with advanced brains and reasoning power. Don't act like you don't have them just because your penis is involved.
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The 'free pizza' speech was stupidly written, but I sorta got the point it was trying to make, in its own cackhanded way.

If someone turns up at your door with a pizza you didn't order, you can turn it down (which he did, several times) ... but if somebody holds you down and FORCEFEEDS you the pizza, you shouldn't be made to feel guilty for admitting you enjoyed it, because enjoying it doesn't change the fact that you never wanted it, in the first place.

It's the same reason rape victims feel ashamed if they orgasm during the act - they think it means that they somehow 'wanted it'... Not true. Pleasure is sometimes involuntary. Physical stimulation doesn't excuse the mental trauma inflicted by the act.

It wasn't possible for him to get away from them without being rough with them, which would also have been seen as wrong, by some people. You don't call the police if somebody uses your shower without asking; you call the police if they won't leave - but by the time he realised that they wouldn't leave, it was too late.







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I agree completely! 😊

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