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I feel like a lot of people didn't get...


After reading reviews and reactions, I feel like a lot of people didn't get a couple of aspects of the film or what Tarantino was trying to say/convey.

1)The beating of JJL (Daisy). On first view, you're supposed to feel bad for her getting beat up by these guys (and have a bit of distaste for them enjoying hitting her). Our first view of her is as a battered woman with a black eye. Then in her first line she says a racial slur, so we then decide, she's actually a horrible person. BUT then she's smacked in the nose, blood pours out and we're back to feeling bad for her. We find out she has musical talent, maybe she's not that bad? Then you find out she's actually a freaking horrible person and extremely dangerous through her monologue in the third act. The beatings are justified and we should have judged her after hearing the first line out of her mouth. This isn't misogynist. She's a villain who's not sexualized. She's dangerous and would kill the other characters working against her the second she had a chance to, the beatings suddenly are justifiable. If she was a male character, we wouldn't be arguing about the beatings her character takes. She lurks in the background of most shots of Minnie's Haberdashery, bored and sulking -- why? Because she's waiting to be rescued and watching all the men around her royally screwing up. Its only at the end, where she tries (and almost successfully escapes) to take care of her arrest/eventually hanging herself by hacking off the arm of Kurt Russell, but his arm is still attached. I would argue the arm still attached to her by a chain represents the misogynist society of the 1800s. Once she's given power (running the gang), she's still held back by men (the arm) and is hung anyway.

2)Samuel L. Jackson made up the oral rape story, just like he made up the Lincoln letter. In the cab, he says that he only kills a man if it's justified (revenge or if there's a bounty "Dead or Alive" on the man's head). Once he enraged the Confederate (who threatened him) it became justified (in his mind) to shoot the Confederate.

3) the 70mm was used to show the snowscape of Wyoming and to have more depth in the cramped cabin scenes. To say that 70mm should only be used for vast epics is not considering the other qualities it possesses.

4)This was a movie about 8 bad guys in a cabin. Did you expect them to have tea together in the third act? Expect them to ride into Red Rock and sack the town together? IDK, the inevitable death of all the characters seemed like the only logical way to end this movie. I also don't see how this violence is any less bad than violence in, say, Die Hard where it makes it look like shooting someone is no big deal, this at least shows the true pain a person goes through once they're shot.

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I disagree

Then you find out she's actually a freaking horrible person and extremely dangerous through her monologue in the third act. The beatings are justified and we should have judged her after hearing the first line out of her mouth



dropping a few n-bombs - is she really that horrible?


can you explain what makes her a
a freaking horrible person


what happens to her is waaaay out of proportion to anything we see her do

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I got everything he was trying to say or do I just didn't like the movie as much as I do Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Django, Kill Bill & Death Proof. It was much better then Inglourious Basterds & Jackie Brown though. I did love the scenery / outdoors shots, it looked great. I live close to mountains like that so I love the beauty of them in the winter. When I go snowmobiling to our family cabin I enjoy every minute of it. But now that I have finally watched this movie (Just did today) I will definitely have some thoughts about it while I'm at the cabin. LMAO

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