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I call plagarism pure and simple.


I love Tarantino and as a film student/buff I love seeing all the references and homages............. but this time he has gone too far.

I am not sure how widely this has been mentioned in the U.S (aussie here) but this time I call sheer plagiarism. Its from the TV serial The Rebel from the late 50's.

Not only has he taken the basic plot but also several internal plot lines, scenarios and actual dialogue. Watch it and i'll guarantee your shoulders will slump. He even does..... the stew, the dead horse, the stranger getting on the coach, the poisoning, the last gasp warning, somebody has to do the job, the 'fill in' attendant, one or more of you helping her, the list just goes on and on

Nobody is above this type of criticism. This is not tip your hat stuff at previous films ala Kill Bill. This is shameful. And yes I liked the film a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9Svv0c4Xw&feature=youtu.be


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Bump for pure and simple.

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What is the name of the episode?

The link to the show is dead, but youtube does have some episodes listed.

I didn't have the patience to slog through 5 pages of replies looking for someone else having posted this question, so thanx.

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Its called Fair Game and yeah it seems to have disappeared form You Tube, which is interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNVw5ngalA

This guy compares them

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At first I thought this was simply due to the episode having gotten some attention (on IMDB) and it triggered a copyright complaint... but other Rebel episodes are still listed.

bTW!! - There is an episode with Johnny cash! And, for those that appreciate female beauty, Gail Russell co-stars in one of these. Arguably the most attractive (yet lesser known) actresses of her era.

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I didn't read all the opinions on QTs plagiarism, but, to me, when you add it all up it's pretty damning (not that I damn QT for the act). We all have our threshold for when "being inspired by", and "paying homage to" crosses the line to direct rip off. For me, QT crossed that line. Not paying props to the original compounds the 'sin'.

But in the big picture this is simply a reminder that our heroes are never perfect. We make them perfect, in our minds, but they never are. They are human, and thus deeply flawed.

Watching The Hateful made me think (once again) about whether QT is a racist. Who knows, but, just like Martin Scorsese, who "keeps making the same movie over and over again", because he grew up with violence and is thus "programmed" for it, and finds a healthy outlet for it .... so to does it strike me that QT, growing up in a mixed-race neighborhood, is doing a version of this.

And in our own ways each of us plays out our own version in our lives, depending on what screwed us up in childhood. It's all part of being imperfectly human. We don't like imperfection, so when we see it on others we want to attack them for it.

Until you recognize what you're doing, and resist the temptation to attack. You grow past the urge.

Myself, I go back and forth. ;>










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Fact: Nobody gives a *beep* the fact that only less than 300 people voted on that pathetic TV show showed that nobody cares...


QT rules anybody that says otherwise is a jealous hater..

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Well, I do give a *beep*, because Tarantino is one of my favorite filmmakers and as a film lover I'm always interested in what infulenced a movie I like. It's the same with music: When a band does a cover version of a song that I dig, I check out the original artist and often discover great bands.

Having said that and having watched Fair Game on YT, I don't think that QT went further in terms of inspiration (or nicking ideas) than he had done in the past. I mean the episode is 25 mins. long and only a few scenes might be seen as a kind of blueprint for a movie that lasts 2 1/2 hours. What surprises me is the fact that Tarantino didn't mention this among his inspirations for The Hateful 8. It's almost unthinkable that he doesn't know this episode.

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I watched the episode you're talking about, and The Hateful Eight is about fifty times better than that lame old TV episode. In fact, I wish Hollywood would stop doing mediocre remakes of classic movies and do a lot more revamping of corny old TV shows and failed old movies that had some potential so that some of those old stories could be actually done some justice. I was born in the 70's and I've never even heard of The Rebel, and now I have. That ought to be worth something. But yeah, it probably should have been credited.

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Can we get a link that works please?

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Mannix is The Rebel.

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Everything is influenced by something else, nothing is truly original .

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Exactly​!!! I thought the appropriation discussion was settled in the 70s. Warhol? Rauschenberg? Hello, people?!
I guess the old adage is right: forget the past and you are doomed to talk about it forever on internet forums. Lol.
I've always appreciated that Q openly owns up to it. Am I wrong, or is that not basically the same thing as citing a quote in a piece of original writing? He loves the medium, knows everything about it, but makes everything his own.

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