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**This is so much more worse than whitewashing**


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**This Is So Much Worse Than Whitewashing**
*Why I'm Boycotting Hollywood's Newest Movie "The Forest"*

As an Asian-American, I am no stranger to seeing my people whitewashed on the silver screen. It happened in "The Conqueror" when John Wayne played Genghis Khan and it's scheduled to repeat in 2017 when Scarlett Johannson stars as as Major Motoko Kusanagi in "Ghost in the Shell."

But NONE of these films compares to the whitewashing in Hollywood's newest movie "The Forest." This is by far the most sickening, low-class piece of *beep* I have EVER seen. Before I talk about why this is possibly the worst whitewashed Asian movie in history, you NEED to understand the context of this story and what "Forest" this movie is referring to.

Here's the scoop.

West of Tokyo, Japan at the base of Mt. Fuji is a stretch of forest called Aokigahara. Aokigahara is known for its lush and green foliage that remains fertile all year long. Walk along the trails and you'll see petite trees that ebb and flow with the wind and a ground painted with a thick layer of furry moss. But underneath this excessive life, woven between the leaves and bushes, is the exact opposite of life: death.

For 30 years, residents of Japan have come to the Aokigahara forest to commit suicide. Most hang themselves, others overdose on medication, and a select few hide deep in the woods and force themselves into dehydration and starvation. Rotting corpses hang from the branches and skeletons with the clothes intact are scattered all around.

In Japan, suicide is a national crisis. While America ranks 50th in yearly suicide rates, Japan is at a chilling 17th place with an estimated 70 suicides per day. Some are pressured into suicide by the stress of Japan's overwhelming work culture while others do it because of unemployment. One major factor that isn't as highly recognized due to Japanese social stigma is depression and mental health.

Japan's rigorous culture of conformity heavily stigmatizes those with mental health issues. Many Japanese have grown content with suicide and see it as a "reasonable" solution. In reality, suicide is an epidemic and is the second leading cause of death in the country.

*Why "The Forest" Is Worse Than Regular Whitewashed Hollywood Films*

"The Forest," a HORROR movie which stars a BLONDE WHITE GIRL, takes place in Aokigahara. So not only did they whitewash a movie and sidestep the opportunity to cast an Asian actress, they COMPLETELY DISRESPECTED the fact that Suicide Forest IS A REAL *beep* PLACE where the Japanese go to end their life. And it's not like these suicides happened 400 years ago. This is happening RIGHT. NOW. Over one hundred bodies are found in Aokigahara every single year.

To put this into perspective, imagine if a white-skinned Italian film director made a movie about police brutality and anti-Black violence in America, filmed the movie in America, but cast non-Black Italian actors.

The ABSOLUTE WORST thing about this film is the erasure of mental health issues among Asians worldwide. The model minority myth doesn't just assume that Asians are universally intelligent or rich, it also assumes that we're able-bodied and don't suffer from mental illness.

NO ONE talks about mental health among Asians. NO ONE talks about disabled Asians. Why? Because everyone believes that we're rich and smart enough to access healthcare.

Newflash: WE AREN'T

"The Forest" had an opportunity to address an issue that is LITERALLY killing Japanese citizens by the thousands. An issue that would have hit home with many Asian-Americans who also suffer from mental illness and depression. But instead of reaching out and confronting a problem that exists and is on-going, Hollywood turned it into a horror movie and whitewashed its cast, thus dehumanizing not only Asians around the globe affected by mental health, but those who have already committed suicide.

Words cannot describe my level of disgust. Hollywood can dehumanize me all it wants. It can cast me as the Asian side-kick in every movie, emasculate me with characters who never get the girl, and erase my history by whitewashing Bruce Lee or Sesue Hayakawa. But why this? Why erase mental health among Asians? Why stab an already invisible community that is suffering in silence?

*beep* this movie.
*beep* whoever this *beep* actress is for taking on the role.
And *beep* *beep* *beep* Hollywood for *beep* ON those affected by mental health.

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The writer and director / filmmaker care only to break into the world of filmmaking and found this actual place as a tool to get his career flying. The studio heads that funded the movie are expecting a big return so they can further their careers... its called capitalism.

If you hate this fact it is all about the phrase: "Give me the same thing only different" that the 13-25 year olds crave as they drop $12.00 into the local theater that will line the pockets of the rich in Hollywood.

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"emasculate me with characters who never get the girl"

Um I don't recall any characters like that. If anything, I can think of more instances of when the Asian character did get the girl (walking dead, harold and kumar, and fast and furious, just to name a few). And it still doesn't change real life; a good looking asian could easily attract girls of any race in real life. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when someone blames fictional entertainment for their own lack of success in their romantic endeavors.

But back to the topic, this film is intended as a horror flick, which is entertainment, first and foremost. It's not supposed to be a documentary that educates on the suicide phenomenon occurring in Japan (like what "The Cove" was for the illegal hunting of dolphins in Japan). Perhaps they could include a statistic before the beginning of the movie of the number of people that die in the forest per year, so that audiences will know that it does actually happen, but I don't see why they need to go any further than that.

Plus, I really don't know how well Asians living in the US or the western world can relate to the suicide issue in Japan, as the factors that lead people in Japan to commit suicide would differ greatly from the factors in the West.

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I love horror films so I was interested in The Forest because it looked like a supernatural horror flick. Now, that I have read the posts on whitewashing...I think I will watch a documentary on Aokigahara before seeing the movie. I agree that the movie could've gone to a higher level if the main actress were asian (even though I like Natalie Dormer) and touched on the actual issue of high suicide rates in Japan. Check out this video on the real forest of Aokigahara in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDSdg09df8

Now, other people have also made valid points. Some people are saying that it's irrelevant because it's based on the supernatural perspective of two outsiders-- one Euro-American living in Japan and another Euro-American traveling to Japan in search of her sister. The movie is not based on a local perspective and the reality of the forest which is a current spot for suicides (like Niagara Falls or the Golden Gate Bridge in North America).

Again, we go back to the original point of whitewashing. Why was the movie based on a supernatural, foreign, Euro-American perspective? So, I do see the whitewashing. The movie didn't have to be a documentary but it could've stayed a little more true to reality. The movie could've been a psychological horror, psychological thriller, horror drama, crime thriller, or horror thriller film (Nightcrawler, Silence of the Lambs, Orphan).

Plenty of foreign people live and work in Japan and I'm sure that white people are raised there too. So...it is a possibility that a white person of European descent would understand the forest and Japan's high suicide rates. Personally, I think the film could've been enhanced if the actress were Asian AND if the genre weren't supernatural. Even if the actress were Asian, it wouldn't touch the very real issue of high suicide rates in Japan because it's a supernatural horror flick. The genre itself evades the current reality of the forest and what it represents. I guess supernatural elements could remain in the movie if they were tied to a psychological thriller making it unclear if it's hallucinations or real supernatural events (The Shining, Butterfly Effect, They).

I can't really provide a thorough critique yet because I haven't seen the movie. I will see if my perspective changes after I watch the movie.

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Ya know i am reading this dumb argument about how having a white lady being a character who goes to find her sister in this forest is somehow racist. Yet i did not hear people like yourself complain about the 2012 movie Chernobyl Diaries which also used a location where tragedy involving people dying occurred and the director using that as a setting for a found footage horror movie where characters are being attacked by humans who were mutated by radiation are attacking the main characters. Despite the fact that the area pripiyat russia is where over 102 people including young children and babies died and others were torn away from the place they called home. Guess its just a pick a choose situation or just because the people in russia were white you will just excuse that setting.

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To be fair, if you go to Chernobyl Diaries IMDB forum, there are such complains. They are as stupid there as they are here, but they do exist.

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Okay, there is so much bull*beep* in your statement than anything I have ever read. I'm taking a class on rhetoric and I can tell which arguments would appeal the best to people, and which are repetitive and don't get their point across. I'm sorry to say this, but your's is the latter half. Almost all of your "outrage" can be spoken against strongly in one sentence. And that would be "You're not factoring in the gigantic possibility that it's not only Japanese people committing suicide in this forest." You're basically saying that only Japanese people kill themselves there, and that is a biased opinion that is not true. There are MANY people of other nationalities and races living in Japan, so the possibility of it being just Japanese is remote.

It happened in "The Conqueror" when John Wayne played Genghis Khan and it's scheduled to repeat in 2017 when Scarlett Johannson stars as as Major Motoko Kusanagi in "Ghost in the Shell."


This is unrelated to the subject at hand. You're talking about a forest where people kill themselves, Hollywood "whitewashing", and your best examples are John Wayne and Scarlett Johannson in movies that could've been, oh I don't know, ADAPTATIONS?! Yes, it's possible for another country to do their own spin or have their own version of a movie or series. It's not whitewashing, it's just what people want to do.

"The Forest," a HORROR movie which stars a BLONDE WHITE GIRL, takes place in Aokigahara. So not only did they whitewash a movie and sidestep the opportunity to cast an Asian actress, they COMPLETELY DISRESPECTED the fact that Suicide Forest IS A REAL *beep* PLACE where the Japanese go to end their life. And it's not like these suicides happened 400 years ago. This is happening RIGHT. NOW. Over one hundred bodies are found in Aokigahara every single year.


Where in the trailer, or anything said about this movie does anyone say that this happened 400 years ago. You're assuming they mean that. The word assume can be taken to show a truer meaning "making an ASS out of U and ME". It's not completely disrespecting the forest as a real place. It's said that the forest is a real place! In bold lettering! IN THE MAIN TRAILER. I don't know about you, but that seems to me as enough evidence to make your argument invalid.

To put this into perspective, imagine if a white-skinned Italian film director made a movie about police brutality and anti-Black violence in America, filmed the movie in America, but cast non-Black Italian actors.


As I stated above, people from different nations are allowed to put their own spin on things. It's their right as human beings. Have you ever heard of Lucio Fulci? He's an Italian director that made a movie that was almost a direct sequel to Dawn of the Dead in Italy. It's called "Zombi 2". He made his own spin on the zombie film genre, he's allowed to do that.

NO ONE talks about mental health among Asians. NO ONE talks about disabled Asians. Why? Because everyone believes that we're rich and smart enough to access healthcare.


Back that up with evidence. If you cannot, then your statement is rendered null and void. Everyone does NOT believe Asians are rich and smart enough to access healthcare. It's not something that anyone would ever say. Why? Because it's idiotic when proof shows that not every Asian is rich. In fact, there's a Korean in the 9th grade at my school, he is stupid and there's no sugar coating it. He can't understand English (more of doesn't TRY), he failed his classes in Korea and is failing his classes in America (which are easier, thanks to my math and science teacher for giving proof), and he has to be tutored by a "family member" (he just lives there) who doesn't even know what he is doing. Frankly, your statement is shown to be impossible and not backed up with proof.

"The Forest" had an opportunity to address an issue that is LITERALLY killing Japanese citizens by the thousands. An issue that would have hit home with many Asian-Americans who also suffer from mental illness and depression. But instead of reaching out and confronting a problem that exists and is on-going, Hollywood turned it into a horror movie and whitewashed its cast, thus dehumanizing not only Asians around the globe affected by mental health, but those who have already committed suicide.


It says horror on IMDb, because they don't have a suspense category. It's a movie about paranoia of probably losing a loved one, being in a forest that has a horrid reputation, and impending doom on all sides of you. And it's NOT dehumanizing dead or alive Asians. Dehumanizing would be like, treating you as dogs or pissing on graves. That is dehumanization.

Words cannot describe my level of disgust. Hollywood can dehumanize me all it wants. It can cast me as the Asian side-kick in every movie, emasculate me with characters who never get the girl, and erase my history by whitewashing Bruce Lee or Sesue Hayakawa. But why this? Why erase mental health among Asians? Why stab an already invisible community that is suffering in silence?


Your conclusion paragraph is weaker than any twig holding up a rock. The Asian side-kick in every movie part is downright ridiculous! I've seen a movie called "To Save a Life" where in the end, the kid about to commit suicide is saved by another character, and the girl he liked the entire movie becomes his girlfriend. And you say INVISIBLE community, where is that proof? In fact, one thing from Japan has one of the highest sell and streaming rates in the American continent, and yes that is anime. It's a highly liked, popular purchase, and it's just about in every store! We notice Japan and Asian cultures and their people respectively. You're suffering in silence? Says who? Says you.

Your entire "argument" is nothing but repetitive, not backed up with any proof, and all an opinion and not factual. You're allowed to not go see a movie. Nobody's forcing you. But "boycotting" the movie because you don't think its concept is "accurate", because a white girl is looking for her sister in a forest known for suicide, is nonsense. The movie will get money, people will go see it. Nobody's going to boycott a movie. THAT is sickening.

Thank you for reading my piece, have a nice day.

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Worst housemate story:Okay, there is so much bull*beep* in your statement than anything I have ever read.


Although I agree that the blog post the op reposted is a bs, the op clearly states that it's not his/her statement but was a repost. Before you go on about how bs it is, you might wanna read more carefully. Kinda weakens your point.

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Have you ever heard of "The Last Samurai"? That is way worse than this. I mean, the Samurai are such a hugely important and sacred thing to the Japanese and they are legendary so, to have a white guy play the last samurai is so completely wrong and offensive.

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Artists are allowed to do whatever they want. Anything else would be censorship. White person wants to make movie about Indian culture, so what? Asian person wants to make a movie about black culture, so what? Art is about empathy. Can't think of a better way to achieve empathy than attempt to walk in someone else's shoes. Now, if they do a bad job of it, that's on the individual artist and it should never be used as an excuse to attempt to censor other artists.

Cultural marxists and those who have fallen for the toxic isolationism of "identity politics" need to get their heads out of their rear-ends and join the human race.

You're welcome.

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#Aries_Girl84: Get over yourself. It's like dead people complaining that a live actor played a ghost, or fishermen complained that an actor wasn't really a fisherman. IT'S CALLED ACTING! People get paid to play people they're not. If you hate white people so much, go back to North Korea where you belong.

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#Aries_Girl84: Get over yourself.


Jesus *beep* Christ, she didn't write the *beep* post. She even said she re-posted it. I don't agree with the post but your post just shows how retarded you are. I guess the points she raised was too difficult for you to comprehend, ey? Go back to your ESL classes.

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Suck my nuts.

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She clearly agrees given that she took the effort to repost the post on a whole different site.

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I just had to reply to this thread written by an idiot. The story is based on the history of the forest and all the creepy mysticism associated with death. The girl is NOT playing a Japanese character. She is playing a WHITE woman coming to Japan to search for her sister. Look up the definition of whitewashing.

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