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The Most Disturbing Scene ( testing the audience's moral limits)


There is a scene in the movie that poses a genuine moral dilemma for the audience. I'd also argue that its morally instructive because it tests the limits of *our* moral identity.

I'm talking about, of course, the scene where Alice's past self communicates with her future self (or current self from our perspective later in the film).

I have to confess to finding that scene very uncomfortable. Not because I'm morally opposed to suicide but because it starts to resemble an act of murder.

We all know why Alice instructs her future self to take the pills: Alice can't imagine living when she no longer knows who (or where) she 'really' is.

From this perspective, Alice's message is morally defensible and its easy to identify with her choice - she wants to put herself (and her family) out of its misery. Alice can't imagine still being Alice beyond this point, and would rather die.


The only problem is that she is presupposing the very thing at issue - a continuity between self.

If identity is an expression of memory, then there is the question of whether they're still the same person throughout time.

Since Alice didn't understand (remember) what she was watching - go kill yourself now - then her former self had a questionable claim upon her future self.

I suppose what I'm saying is: I found that scene very disturbing because she was essentially telling someone other than herself to go kill themselves.

The Alice about to take the pills gave little indication that she knew what she was doing or why: if it was without her knowledge or consent, then we're not about to witness a suicide attempt but someone trying to murder an impressionable (scared and impaired) person.

How did you feel about the scene? Did it test your limits?

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It wasn't going to be someone other than herself. It's not comparable to murder. But it was very disturbing.

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You make a very good point. The old Alice in the video does not explain to her future self that she would die if/when she took the pills. I don't think 'murder' would be the right choice, though I'm not sure what the right word would be. I guess it's somewhere between suicide and murder.

It was indeed very disturbing. I have not witnessed someone transit to Alzheimer's, but I did witness dementia with my grandmother. When I watched the suicide video I remembered how my grandmother was still happy many times. There were times when she felt scared, and like she was lost, when she cried herself to sleep. But there were also many times when she thought she was a child, when she mistook her daughter with her sister who passed away years ago, when she laughed at a joke or liked some music or a food she had. She was happy all those times. And at no point during her years with dementia she wanted to die.

The video of Alice made me think she was almost going to cause her own self not experience her happy times too. Suicide was not going to be the choice of today's Alice but the past's Alice.

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Really thought-provoking post. It's a quandary.

I do think it would have been more ethical if she said "if you don't want to live like this, here's how you can kill yourself".

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Good point but that's goes completely against the very title of the movie. She is "Still Alice".

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I think you overanalyzed the scene.

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We all know why Alice instructs her future self to take the pills: Alice can't imagine living when she no longer knows who (or where) she 'really' is.


I never thought she wanted to kill her future self because at that time she wouldn't know who she really is but because she wouldn't want herself to be a burden upon others.

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Another good point.

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Exactly!! She would not want to be a burden to others! I do not want that for me too! Her "future" self is not aware of how much a burden she is.

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Yes, you frame the issue very well. While watching, I was rooting for her to succeed in the suicide. But there was some nagging doubt at the back of my mind for the reasons you cite. The way I framed it in another thread was: what if her youngest daughter set up some automatic system to kill her future self if she ever gave up acting and just "settled" for a "soulless desk job"? That future self might be happy to have friends, maybe a spouse, kids, etc., and perhaps do community theatre. So it's not necessarily the younger version's right to judge whether that's a "fate worse than death".

Heck, it's New Year's Eve. I'm in my forties now, and I have no plan to go out. Ten years ago maybe, fifteen for sure, I would have been horrified by the lameness of this plan. But my fortysomething self has the right to change my mind.

Still, getting full blown dementia is obviously different. The woman we saw at the end of the movie still had some quality of life. But what about a month or three later?

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I found that scene very disturbing because she was essentially telling someone other than herself to go kill themselves.


I understand your argument.

If I stumbled across a video of myself telling me to kill myself. I wouldn't do it.

But if I WOULD do it... This is exactly the video watcher SELF I would have directed the video towards.

In other words, if I could no longer cognitively dissemble what I was seeing/hearing and instead blindly acted because a fascimile 'ME' told me to... I would pretty much have outlived my usefulness to myself.

This is actually something I have given a fair amount of thought to over my life. Not so much the death/suicide part but- if an older wiser version of me came back and told me not to do this or indeed to do that- what would I do?

I'm the same age as the character in the film. My cognitive ability means a lot to me. My mere existence... not so much without the cognitive ability. I know, in my sober mind, I would rather die than lose my mind.

I would instruct my future self likewise.

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