Shameless!


Great to see we're still glorifying murders and scum in the media. They only killed someone, lets make a book and movie out of it and offer them a crap load of cash for their story. Sucks that after all of this time society doesn't stand by its convictions. Instead lets make these kinds of people famous and rich. Can't wait for the talk show circuit and reality tv spots.

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100% agreed

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Who are they glorifying? Who do you think killed Meredith?

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Amanda didn't kill anyone. You're the one who's shameless.

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Yep, exactly. Amanda and Rafaele are 100% innocent. It's pretty disgusting how people still think otherwise.

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Agreed.

Every sin is an escape from emptiness.

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No they're both guilty as sin and were convicted on more evidence than Scott Peterson & serial killer Rose West.
Why is it pretty disgusting for people to think otherwise?

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@CorpusVile



You keep saying this: "and were convicted on more evidence than Scott Peterson" was---the difference that there was ACTUAL evidence to put him behind bars, plus the fact that he had an actual motive (to leave his wife for the woman he was cheating on her with----he even lied to that same woman and told her he wasn't married.) I did some research on the case,too, and frankly, Knox and Sollecito were basically railroaded by an Italian system what didn't want to admit it had screwed up the case and would rather have them locked up than admit they made a mistake. And on top of that,the REAL murderer of Meredith Kercher (Rudy Guede) gets a reduced sentence for lying,claiming they were involved in the murder (despite all the actual physical evidence pointing to him as the culprit) throwing them under the bus to save his own a**. You act as if the court could not have have gotten anything wrong in the case, of made a mistake, which courts do ALL the time, even in the U.S. I assumed Knox and Sollecito were guilty based on TV reports, until I actually did some research on the case myself, and I definitely think that she and Sollecito are innocent. As hard as the media and the courts wanted these two to be convicted and locked up in the first place, do you think they would have really let them go if they had any actual evidence on them? Hell, no, they wouldn't have. Why you're so invested in their guilt, I have no idea, but you need to let it go, for real.

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They were. Proof of motive is not required in any court of law. Your objection in this regard is a non argument.
You didn 't do any research on this case. If you did, you'd know they weren't railroaded and received a very fair trial and two automatic appeals, which they certainly wouldn't have gotten in the US, UK or my country. In the US/UK they'd be well into their sentences after their trial conviction with no appeal.

The only viable research you could do would be to read the court transcripts and judges sentencing reports, which you clearly haven't done, hence your untrue statement on railroading. They let Patrick Lumumba go once they found out he was innocent, yet decided to railroad two other innocents, one a middle class US citizen and the other a rich kid from a politically connected family?
I notice also that when it comes to Peterson, you seem to be viewing the totality of the evidence against him, yet not with Knox and Sollecito. Why would the Italian system railroad two middle class defendants? There is no logical reason to do so.

No. Guede did not get a reduced sentence for "lying", stop lying. He availed of a fast track trial which automatically knocks a third of a convicted defendant's sentence. Knox and Sollecito would have also gotten the same reduction had they had have availed of a fast track trial. Your claim that he got a reduced sentence for lying is completely untrue and cutting deals are illegal in Italy anyway.

Again, no. Plenty of physical evidence, including bloody footprints by Knox and Sollecito, Knox's mixed genetic material- presumed blood- mixed with Meredith's in five separate samples in three separate areas of the house, including Filomena Romanelli's bedroom where neither girl should have been and where not a trace of Guede exists, despite the claims from Knox supporters that he committed the burglary using that room as an entry point, Sollecito's DNA on the victim's underwear and Knox's DNA on the handle of the knife that her trial and appeal accepted as the murder weapon, not to mention Meredith's on the blade highlighted their involvement also. Then there's their lies, changing accounts and alibis and Knox's detailed knowledge of Meredith's murder that even the cops didn't know at the time. Which also constitutes as evidence against them, in any western court of law.

Also, the Supreme Court have decreed that Guede did not act alone but that "his accomplices have not been found", so if you're saying that Guede acted alone, you're basically saying that Knox and Sollecito were acquitted on flawed grounds, something that anyone who has objectively studied this case knows.
Again, you didn't research as you wouldn't be coming out with such glaring falsehoods if you had have.

I have asked Knox supporters repeatedly over the years to list any legal, procedural or systematic errors that occurred at her trial or Nencini appeal. I got crickets in response so I invite you to do the same thing and validate your position that the court got it wrong. Whenever you're ready.
The supreme court otoh got plenty of things wrong- they reviewed evidence for starters, contradicted and overruled themselves as a body and made the same illegal remarks that they had annulled a previous appellate court for making.
Care to comment on these discrepancies regarding their acquittal?

I was convinced of guilt BARD by reading the primary sources. They're much better than your "TV reports".

They did have evidence against them. What do you think they argued at their trial and appeal if not evidence? What do you think the Defence cross examined expert witnesses on, if not the evidence?
In Italy the evidence has to be presented to a panel of 12 judges before the case can even go to trial, precisely to see if there's sufficient evidence to proceed to trial. If you're gonna lie or else engage in sheer irrationality by falsely proclaiming that there was "no evidence", then it's pointless attempting rational honest debate with you.

I have stated repeatedly that despite disagreeing with the SC verdict I accept it and feel that both Knox and Sollecito should be free to get on with their lives, so not sure what you mean by "let it go". Stop falsely asserting that there was no evidence against them and that Guede cut a deal and I won't need to comment on your falsehoods. Fair enough?
You haven't made one viable argument here, so come back when you do, thanks.

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Too long to read.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

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"They only killed someone ... "


Anyone with half a brain can see the stitch-up that these two have been victim to. They didn't kill anyone. Pull your head in and save your faux outrage for a worthy cause.





'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings.

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From the materials I've read about the crime, I believe Knox and her boyfriend didn't commit the murder...but they're not totally blameless, either. At the least they're guilty of destroying evidence and trying to conceal the crime; at worst they may have goaded the killer into committing the murder.



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I'm very curious as to your sources of information and what evidence you think they destroyed. From what I've read, the two were highly unlikely to be anywhere near the crime when it took place, and contacted the police as soon as they realised something was wrong.

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She went to a store and checked out cleaning supplies at a time she claimed to be sleeping. And she told other lies about the night and the morning of the murder. That doesn't sound like the behavior of a complete innocent.



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She went to a store and checked out cleaning supplies

And you know this, how? Presumably based on the testimony of the shopkeeper who didn't even report it until a whole YEAR later, after the case had already generated a media storm.

Please explain:
- Why didn't the shopkeeper report this to the police when he was interviewed a few days after the murder?
- Why were there no receipts of the purchase?
- Why did the cashier refute her employer's testimony?
- And most importantly... Why in the Blu Hell would Amanda be buying bleach when there was already bleach in her house, and no bleach was used at the crime scene???

And she told other lies about the night and the morning of the murder

Are you referring to her testimony while being ILLEGALLY INTERROGATED? Did you even read the testimony she gave?

Her friend and housemate had just been murdered, and she had already given about 40 hours of interviews in the few days immediately following. What kind of state do you think she was in at this point? Then she is called in again and interrogated through the night. The police don't record this (I wonder why!), even though it is standard legal procedure. They deny her any legal support, even though they are bound by law to do so. They call in an interpreter, who admitted under oath that she went outside her job description, suggesting to Amanda that she had traumatic amnesia and wasn't remembering things correctly.

According to Amanda, she was deprived of both food and water, denied bathroom privileges, was being constantly shouted at by police officers in a language she could barely speak, hit repeatedly on the back of the head. And even then all they could get out of her were confused images that didn't even make sense to her... probably thanks to their repeated suggestions and leading questions like, "imagine if you were there, what would you have heard," etc.

She never lied once, but wrote that she doubted the veracity of her statements the next day because she had been rendered into a confused state. She believed what she said at the time. If you don't think this is normal, I suggest you learn just a little bit about psychology. Hell, even watch one of Derren Brown's 'Trick of the Mind' shows to see how easy it is to screw with people's heads.

Also consider that she didn't even accuse Lumumba until the police found his message saying, 'See you later,' on her phone. They already believed he was guilty before Amanda said anything.

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The bleach has always been a red herring. The prosecution never presented any evidence about bleach in the trial and none was found in the murder room. Assuming they had used it, how would they have removed every trace of their invisible DNA from the murder room and still left so much of Guede's? Knox's DNA is only present in the blood outside of the murder room for the simple reason that she lived there.

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I'm non committal on the film but agree 100% with their guilt. Laughable to see the murderer shills/groupies appearing on your thread spouting their usual nonsense. I fully expect the Court of Cassation to finalize their rightful conviction and for extradition to be granted. Then Amanda Knox will be forgotten about and good riddance too.


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Haven't really done your research have you, er, Vile...

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I have actually, hence my comments. She's guilty as sin & completely screwed, deal with it.
I've no problem debating the case with you & will happily do so, if you wish but don't be presumptuous.

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People should go here http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/fbi.html and make up their own mind. A guilty verdict does not necessarily make someone guilty. The West Memphis 3 remain convicted, but they are innocent.

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Why would anyone wish to visit that hateful shill site set up by Chris Mellas (Knox's stepfather) & bankrupt fraud Bruce Fischer, where repugnant attacks on Meredith Kercher and her family consistently occur? There was a post there a while ago by the poster "Alex_K" mocking the Kerchers over their mixed heritage.
There was another post by the poster "annella" cajoling for autopsy pictures and yet another post by the poster "carlofab" accusing the Kerchers of "prosituting their daughter's memory for financial gain".
And that's just the tip of a very hateful iceberg.
People should study the primary sources, such as court transcripts as well as the relevant motivational reports on the verdict to make up their own mind, as opposed to PR quasi racist murderer groupie shill sites like the one you've just linked.
Alternatively a summary can be found here.
www.themurderofmeredithkercher.com
www.themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

WM3 are guilty also as far as I'm concerned and is a totally separate case anyway.

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There was a post there a while ago by the poster "Alex_K" mocking the Kerchers over their mixed heritage.
There was another post by the poster "annella" cajoling for autopsy pictures and yet another post by the poster "carlofab" accusing the Kerchers of "prosituting their daughter's memory for financial gain".

Wow, you sound like a right creep lurking on all these sites. How many posts have you made on here?

It's funny that you complain about one site being biased, and then post links to an incredibly biased website of your own. The very first paragraph is filled with such a warped perspective and so much misinformation I couldn't even look any further.

You clearly have some personal involvement in this case, or you are one hell of a sick cookie.

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I'm not interested in your argumentum ad hominem, but your disregarding the actual attacks highlighted and your focus on the messenger is duly noted with a complete lack of surprise there gunk.
The site I linked provides all the available primary sources and sentencing reports. People are more than welcome to study said sources and make up their own minds.
Please specify this "warped misinformation" you're so apparently outraged by.
Neither actually and I'm not the one attacking a murder victim and her family, Knox's groupies are, so I'm dismissing your shrill hyperbolic whinging with boredom and derision. Feel free to credibly refute anything I've said, gilk. So far all you've offered is irrelevant noise and an apparent interest in me personally which is also laughed at.
So whenever you're ready with something approaching credibility...lemme know.

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Okay, okay, okay, dry your eyes.

I just have to ask one more question in earnest.

Do you see a psychiatrist?

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Yeah, your whinging is still dismissed and you still haven't said anything remotely intelligent during our entire exchanges.

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This was made specifically to put the spotlight back on Meredith. Her family approved of the film,

Every sin is an escape from emptiness.

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The film is less about the Amanda Knox mystery and more about a self-righteous, drug addled filmmaker who bangs hot women, beats up his landlord and gets attacked by a CGI dinosaur.

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