Stop killing for T. V. - Life Below Zero (2013) Discussion

[–] Karebear615 11 years ago

Get a life dude...thats what this show is all about, have to kill to stay alive.
At least its only animals.
I dont like watching animals get killed either but thats how you have to live in the wilderness. Alaska is as wild as it gets.
If you have ever watched any survival shows like Dual Survival or Man Vs Wild, they show animals being killed also. Its all part of surviving or you'll die.

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[–] angel_pin 11 years ago

I totally agree Karebear.

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[–] codfish1978 10 years ago

I amazes me how some people get so offended by seeing animals killed in the wild. How come none of them are outraged at farm-raised animals that are born and raised to be slaughtered? At least the animals on this show lived a full life of freedom before they died and their sacrifice was made for the benefit of another animal. In this case, that other animal was man. Life is all about changing one form of plant or animal into another form. Killing an animal for sport and just leaving it unused would be a sin and a crime. What these people do when they kill animals is as natural as life itself.

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[–] wolfsnaps888 10 years ago

Well said. People must think hamburgers grow on trees or something.

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[–] BridgitteVonHammersmark 10 years ago

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself!

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[–] fivestarmichael 8 years ago

Yes, Well said. I cringe when I watch them skin animals or kill a cute little duck but yeah... it is helping another animal survive. Should they move back to civilization and eat cows wrapped in plastic wrap?

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[–] mib74 10 years ago

true but that young kid killing a Lynx is kinda to much.. sure he get paid for the fur but why not kill something else then to get food..

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[–] MissTexasMcCoy 9 years ago

I agree, this really has been the only kill that bothered me, not because of squeamishness but because of the rarity of the animal. Lynx are they are very secretive and not all that common to find simply because they are so good at avoiding humans. They are federally protected in other parts of the US, so I found it a bit surprising that they aren't in Alaska :(

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[–] saltnurwound 10 years ago

Yes cary. By all means. They should take their dogsled down the trail to the McDonalds and get burgers and fries where no animals are harmed, right? Maybe a chicken sandwich or filet o fish. There's sooo much food where no animals die. They're all just serial killers in waiting, i'm sure.

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[–] standrkm 10 years ago

haha, hilarious, you should be a comedian

"the day I tried to live, I learned that I was alive"

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[–] draftdubya-274-182961 10 years ago

Troll much?

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[–] pafpdd 10 years ago

it isnt for entertainment, it is to survive.

---so long & thanks for all the fish---

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[–] michellewhiteley-717-578963 10 years ago

We eat animals....that's normal. Killing them for food and their fur is normal. What's not normal is keeping animals cooped up in slaughterhouses to live a sad life until they're killed. At least these animals in the wild get to live free for some time

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[–] snagletooth 8 years ago

Don't eat animals. It is actually possible to be vegetarian, you know. Buying into cruelty because it occurs naturally/as a part of nature is sick.

People killing people for thrills or advantages of some sort is natural too.

People dying of illnesses and starvation is natural too.

If the fact that something is natural justifies doing it or allowing it, then why care about any suffering in this world?

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[–] Rattaplan 8 years ago

What's wrong with people dying from starvation, illnesses, or killing?
Hardship and death is part of life. Without any such negatives, living would become a bland, boring affair.
Besides, humans, like other animals, are incapable of being truly kind and peaceful beings. Living organisms (like us) are simply not wired that way. We are restless beings, always looking for something new and better which often results in conflicts with our surroundings.

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[–] snagletooth 8 years ago

What's wrong with people dying from starvation, illnesses, or killing?

Nothing, other than anyone's choice to regard any of those things, and under what circumstances, as good, bad, or irrelevant.

Hardship and death is part of life. Without any such negatives, living would become a bland, boring affair.

Without a negative, positive wouldn't exist, huh? Utopia/Paradise is inherently impossible, rather than just incredibly difficult to bring about?

Besides, humans, like other animals, are incapable of being truly kind and peaceful beings. Living organisms (like us) are simply not wired that way. We are restless beings, always looking for something new and better which often results in conflicts with our surroundings.

Human beings have much greater mental facilities of foresight and informed intelligent choice than other animals. Such facilities are what make any (mature and competent) individual capable of formulating and choosing a moral/ethical philosophy and acting according to its tenets.

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[–] Rattaplan 8 years ago

Without a negative, positive wouldn't exist, huh? Utopia/Paradise is inherently impossible, rather than just incredibly difficult to bring about?

Not difficult, our egoistic nature makes it impossible.

Human beings have much greater mental facilities of foresight and informed intelligent choice than other animals. Such facilities are what make any (mature and competent) individual capable of formulating and choosing a moral/ethical philosophy and acting according to its tenets.

The only things these greater mental prowess has given the human animal, is a more complex and eleborate way of looking after its own selfish interests. The basics are still very much the same, just more convulated.
Humans are also the only species, that I know, who consciously torture animals and other human beings for their own personal pleasure.
Comparitively, human morality and ethics are therefore quite.. underwhelming.

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[–] snagletooth 8 years ago

Not difficult, our egoistic nature makes it impossible.

Hmmm, perfection is unattainable but not unapproachable.

The only things these greater mental prowess has given the human animal, is a more complex and elaborate way of looking after its own selfish interests.

The choices are always a product of the interplay of motives and goals within a given brain/mind/living process. That's always true regardless of the individual organism's higher mental facilities or lack thereof. But in an organism with those higher mental facilities and the ability to adjust behavior, the weights of the individual factors can be adjusted, even by self-imposition, such as living by a moral code, delaying gratification, altruism....or externally by fear of social condemnation and punishment.

Humans are also the only species, that I know, who consciously torture animals and other human beings for their own personal pleasure. Comparatively, human morality and ethics are therefore quite.. underwhelming.

Yes, there are human sadists, and deliberate sadists, but many predators are sadistic, such as toying with prey and going on killing sprees where they kill much more than they can eat, not to mention complete inconsideration of others (killing of the young in a herd if they happen to be in the way of males battling for dominance, etc.). The lack of the possibility of conscious choice precludes improvement, at least in natural circumstances. Nature red of claw and tooth and all that. The fact that the behavior isn't consciously weighed and chosen doesn't make it somehow better, nor does does the impossibility of internal judgement make it superior. Nihilism never leads to progress/improvement and amorality renders the ant and the bacterium objectively greater successes than higher animals.

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[–] Rattaplan 8 years ago

Yes, there are human sadists, and deliberate sadists, but many predators are sadistic, such as toying with prey and going on killing sprees where they kill much more than they can eat, not to mention complete inconsideration of others (killing of the young in a herd if they happen to be in the way of males battling for dominance, etc.). The lack of the possibility of conscious choice precludes improvement, at least in natural circumstances. Nature red of claw and tooth and all that. The fact that the behavior isn't consciously weighed and chosen doesn't make it somehow better, nor does does the impossibility of internal judgement make it superior. Nihilism never leads to progress/improvement and amorality renders the ant and the bacterium objectively greater successes than higher animals.

I wouldn't say that many, non sentient, predators are sadistic based on the fact that they toy with their prey etc., since they lack any sense of empathy. Something that's only attained through a higher level of consciousness, and something that humans are supposedly equipped with.
Animals perceived sadism, therefore, is not objectively sadistic like that of humans.

The other problem I see with "enforced goodness" is, that, even though, individually, people can obtain a certain moral and ethical code, as a group it will always be nullified by those who take advantage of it.
There are always that couple of individuals who ruin it for the majority.

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[–] dinerfood-901-211557 9 years ago

Extremely funny: "Like why don't you go to the supermarket like everyone else. Mom uses the drive-thru what's wrong with youse." Not hard to imagine the conversation: "Animals shouldn't be on the show, they belong in a zoo. Those bears and wolves so cute." Why bother explaining people are food groups.

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[–] rjm2238 9 years ago

Kary, good evening!
You seem to be disregarding the fact that most of what human beings eat has been, at one time or another alive prior to being consumed. Now if you are unhappy with your position at the top of the food chain, thanks to human ceativity and intelligence, you personally may forego your position there, go swimming and chumming simultaneously, play in traffic or what have you, but do not involve me as I am happy at the top of the chain, armed and hunting or simply visiting the supermarket in my automobile.
By the way I make no apologies for my eating of meat as I not only enjoy it, I just happens to be quite good as human beings are omnivoirs, as evidenced by our canine teeth which were grown to help chew meat. So, good evening and let's get ready for a weekend bar b que and some good company, a couple of beers, a few games of horse shoes a little after dinner poker for the gentlemen and so on, just have a good weekend.
Rich in New Mexico.

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[–] garciaerin 9 years ago

Rich, I really enjoy your reply; I feel like I can hear your voice clearly, and it has brightened my day.

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