MovieChat Forums > Lost for Life (2014) Discussion > Toreys family and supporters are delusio...

Toreys family and supporters are delusional.


Wonder in awe at the delusion that is this garbage:

http://torey.adamcik.themisp.net/index.php/articles/14-documentary-slanders-torey-and-whitewashes-brian

The Torey kid and his family were utterly ridiculous my god. They were delusional and Torey seemed to have absolutely no remorse even removing himself from the situation claiming he was "innocent" just because his parents were feeding him their own shameful avoidance.He didn't seem so innocent on the video tape but that's just "circumstantial evidence" like seriously? HES ON TAPE TALKING ABOUT MURDERING SOMEONE AND THEN DOING IT!! not to mention hes the one talking about "getting their story straight" or something along those lines.

He seems like someone whos been living on manipulating his parents for a long time gaining their sympathy as a "good boy" and Brian is the manipulator?? YEA RIGHT. I mean there's a reason two messed up people with the same motives find each other and connect Torey was obviously already disturbed and refused to acknowledge it then and now...nope the blame is elsewhere.

The documentary didn't whitewash Brian....Torey just gives off automatic creep vibes from the very moment he is on camera. He has no remorse and he was THERE and PLANNED it so he is not INNOCENT.His parents don't want to let go of their image of him in their heads but sheesh do they have to be so moronic...they arent helping him by enabling, making excuses and speaking for him.

Just had to vent

The apple iphone came out in 1990.I HAVE PICTURES OF THE BERLIN WALL COMING DOWN ON IT. -DChupra

reply

I agree. Just watched this. Textbook sociopath and INFURIATING display of weak, weak parenting. Brian manned up and sought change.

reply

I agree 100%. I don't see how anyone can claim that this doc "whitewashes" Brian Draper. He fully admitted killing Cassie Jo Stoddart. If people react positively toward him, it's because he expresses true remorse and a desire to change for the better.

I'm not sure whether Torey would continue to deny his guilt if not for his parents desperately clinging to their belief that he's innocent (he's such a kind, kind, kind, kind person!). The scene where Torey said he made mistakes in his past, and his father quickly jumped in to say that his mistakes didn't involve Cassie's murder, was very telling. They kept emphasizing that he'd only known Brian for six weeks, as if that made a difference. It doesn't matter if he'd known him 10 years or 30 minutes, they still planned and committed a murder. Sadly for the Adamciks, Torey won't have a hope for parole until he comes to terms with what he's done and makes some changes in his life.

reply

You said everything PERFECTLY. About both Brian and Torey. Took the words out of my mouth.

I've been trying to read more about this and I've read the entire website linked in the OP. They continuously reference that only Brian had DNA evidence linked to the crime scene, and not Torey's? I'm not sure if that's true or not and I am trying to find out more information and court documents to verify exactly what the evidence was (beyond the video). I'm open to the possibility that maybe Torey was an accessory to murder and didn't actually participate in the deadly attack. But with how clearly deluded and protective his mother is, I'm hesitant to believe the information about the DNA evidence. So I'm going to do my best to find objective info.

reply

They continuously reference that only Brian had DNA evidence linked to the crime scene, and not Torey's?

Why would this matter, since he's continually admitted to the crimes?

Unless they're now claiming he was NEVER THERE, the fact that his DNA wasn't detected doesn't matter.

.

reply

I'm with all of you on this...just watched the documentary last night and still can't get over Torey but especially his parents, who displayed the perfect example of "Not MY Kid!!!" to the extreme.

I can only imagine what it would feel like to have a child who had committed a horrible crime, but imagine if you had lost a child to murder. It's incredibly tragic all the way around, from any perspective. But there's no getting around the fact that in the case of Brian and Torey there appear to be NO mitigating circumstances that should have been factored in to the decision of their sentence lengths.

They plotted, planned and filmed. They were way beyond the age of reason. They knew what they were doing and are paying the appropriate price. At least Brian is owning it, can't believe how much the Adamciks are living in denial. It's a slap in the face and worse to the victim Cassie's family and friends.

Not sure what the point of this was either. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about life without parole. It just made me mad, and sad.

reply

Those parents are in total denial. The part in the documentary where they say to him 'but you're innocent' and he kind of goes 'oh yeah' as he glances around would be hilarious if it wasn't so messed up.

-We've survived yet again-
-We've lost yet again-

reply

I found that very telling, he seemed to almost smirk. It was pretty disgusting.

reply

Saw it and thought the same.

reply

Yeah just watched it and that part made my skin crawl. Torey's parents seemed like they are very well-intended but completely in denial and extremely desperate to stay that way. And truth is, I would be more concerned about Torey being released than I would be about Brian, even if Brian really had taken the more active role in the murder. Brian appeared to really struggle with remorse and he said several times that he was guilty of murdering Cassie. Yes, there were times in the interview where Brian sort of minimized his role in the whole thing, but I can only imagine how difficult it would be to admit to myself (let alone anyone else) that I had done such a horrific thing. And I'd bet that there would be times when I would "spin" it to look like I was somehow less responsible. But everything about Brian screams remorse and regret, all the way down to how hard he struggled just to get the words out.

Torey, on the other hand, was glib, smug, and had no apparent concern at all about his role in the death of that poor girl. He seemed more concerned about pleasing his parents, who were desperately trying to present the case that their poor, innocent, kind, kind, kind, kind son had been unfairly convicted. If he gets released and goes to live with those people, he will have absolutely NO reason to change. He will be the same dangerous person he was at 16. The best thing they could do for him would be to say "we will always love you, son, but it's time for you to man up and admit what you have done." And don't come visit him again until he is ready to get real. He doesn't need a soft place to fall anymore--he needs a swift kick in the a$$.

reply

Torey is definitely guilty. I think Brian is just saying what people want to hear. People should watch that show, your worst nightmare. It shows how the boys snuck back into the house and started turning the lights off with the breaker. They had painted masks and they came upstairs and stabbed Cassie to death for no reason!

reply

Totally. Torey is more looney tunes than Brian.

reply

It is entirely possible that Brian is just saying all the right things but here's why I don't think that is the case: Brian simply doesn't have the social skills and experience to know both what the right thing is and how to mimic it. Brian isn't a Ted Bundy type sociopath who hides the monster under a handsome, articulate and well-adjusted veneer. He has always been an outcast. He has never blended in and looked normal. If someone is a true sociopath and had an issue with blending in, they use their experience with the world and mimic what they perceive as the appropriate behavior. Brian had clearly not mastered that by the time he was in high school and committed this murder and would not have had the opportunity to develop such a skill in prison because he is surrounded by people who absolutely would not exhibit what society would consider normal or desirable responses.

If he's faking it then he should spend the rest of his life giving acting lessons.




reply

He comes across as extremely dangerous, I seriously hope he remains in jail forever.

The recording after the murder, Brian is boasting all agitated, detailing what had happened and Tobey tells him: "Shut the *beep* up, we gotta get our act straight".

He didn't care one bit, he wasn't affected, he was already planning his next move!

In 10 or 20 years he's going to fake feeling remorse hoping to be left out, he's going to learn how to pretend to be what he's expected to be. He's a real threat to society.

reply

But he is a Good kid and a very sweet boy! (Words from the parents).

reply

I so totally agree!!!! Brian has total remorse for what he did. He owns his part in this. Torey is a total joke. His parents are living in denial.

reply